Remember remember the 11th of September

[Silurian]

Utter deception requires complete secrecy.

Partial truth etc only requires secrecy for a limited time.
When the truth comes out it is yesterdays news.

The US organising 911 is utter deception but it is too big for complete secrecy.
It will still be todays news in 2050.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Oh jesus, THIS nonsense is what this thread is about?

This nonsense is always about the same thing. Hate for the US gov which they'll project in this conspiracy theory. Rational arguments are useless dealing with emotional conclusions. This is why they believe this loose stoolwater. This is why any sense of critical thought leaves them when quoting truther nonsense from truther nonsense sites.

You can argue for months, but from the get go, you're a sheeple or worse a shill. Instant ad hominem lurveliness.

Best you can do is ridicule and try to get a chuckle out of it.

-Ziggy psychobabble Stardust

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

The US organising 911 is utter deception but it is too big for complete secrecy.
It will still be todays news in 2050.

It should be clear that no one is arguing about US orchestrating 911. At most you can talk about some rogue elements within the government not the whole of it - well at least not yet. Likely though the majority of the power must be concentrated to the point of a monopol while outwardly the pretence of democracy is kept as a distraction.

Operation Northwoods was a serious proposal coming from within the US government. JFK refused to go along and payed the price. Is it really that difficult to imagine that simmilar thing can happen twice? Furthermore if you can kill the US president whom you cant sacrifice?

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff(JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The plans detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[2]The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.

 

[red_elk]

I read somewhere that Kennedy offered Khruschev to make a joint US-Soviet expedition to the Moon. Khruschev after some thinking was about to accept it, but Kennedy was assasinated.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I post this here becouse it provides pretty good context for what is beeing discussed:

 

[Synobun]

Moderator Action: If you are going to post an hour long video with no context, the least you could do is provide a summary.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: In fact, doing so without a summary is usually considered spam, as should be well known by now. This goes double if you post the same video in other threads too.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Why am I not suprised the video is sponsored by a website devoted to the newest version of one of the first conspiracy theories that evolved after the invention of aircraft....Chemtrails:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Can you at least give me the name of this whistle-blower, or are we just supposed to believe any yahoo on youtube are indeed, who they say they are?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Why am I not suprised the video is sponsored by a website devoted to the newest version of one of the first conspiracy theories that evolved after the invention of aircraft....Chemtrails:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Can you at least give me the name of this whistle-blower, or are we just supposed to believe any yahoo on youtube are indeed, who they say they are?

Please just watch the first second of the video: lower right corner.
I dont know about the sponsor you are mentioning but if you disagree with the presented content I am all ears.

 

[Groff]

Sorry for straying a bit from the topic but I didn't know where else to post it. I stumbled on this documentary a couple of days ago. Two brothers decided to make a documentary about one of New York's fire departments, incidentally it was on 9/11. Very emotional, with a bunch of video material captured inside the WTC buildings, during the attacks and the collapse. Amazing footage of what those guys went through.

I've never even heard about a device that all the firefighters have to have on them. It's called PASS, short for Personal Alert Safety System. Basically, it's a device that starts beeping if you stop moving, so that you can be found in case something happens to you. The video speaks for itself.

EDIT: Just a quick edit, after some googling I've found out that it indeed is the only known footage from inside the WTC during the attacks and the collapse.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Please just watch the first second of the video: lower right corner.
I dont know about the sponsor you are mentioning but if you disagree with the presented content I am all ears.

Please just watch the first second of the video: lower right corner.
I dont know about the sponsor you are mentioning but if you disagree with the presented content I am all ears.

Dane Wigington, when I hovered my mouse over his picture. The sponsor is shown in the first second, Geoengineeringwatch.org, Dane is the lead 'researcher' for that website. So how does a solar engineer have 'top secret CIA' information about 9/11, and not facing treason? Or is this just more garbage to go along with his California drought conspiracy.

I'm not wasting an hour of my time (on top of the time I've already spent researching GeoengineeringWatch and Wigington), just give me a summary of what his evidence is.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Iraq invasion was done under false pretext, but unrelated to 9/11. Afghanistan, on the other hand, was a direct consequence of 9/11, because Taliban refused to hand over Osama. That was official pretext and it seemed valid back then, even for people outside USA.

It wasn't that valid. It just also was extremely controversial to admit to that. As I recall the Talibans were quit ready to cooperate but then Murica was just like "Nah" and went in. I don't think America ever was interested in solving the Afghan issue peacefully, at all. Makes also sense, because if you want to invade Iraq, you can not start by not invading Afghanistan. It was just a bit of theater before the invasion to seem legit as was the case with Iraq.
Yes the Talibans harbored "terrorists", after all those guys helped them in the past with the Soviets, when they were freedom fighters or whatever. But the Talibans were, to my knowledge, not involved in any terrorism and they did not even like Osama that much, from what I have gathered.
And you don't invade a nation just because some crazy guy there did some crap. That is a criminal matter. Not a matter of war between nations. But you know, blood lust and so on. Americans are dicks.

 

[Ajidica]

It wasn't that valid. It just also was extremely controversial to admit to that. As I recall the Talibans were quit ready to cooperate but then Murica was just like "Nah" and went in.

FWIW, while the Taliban did offer to hand over bin Laden to a third party if the US provided them evidence of his guilt, the ability of the Taliban to capture bin Laden was seriously suspect. Additionally, there is the problem that we had no real ability to know if the Taliban -or elements within the Taliban- were going to use a breathing period from America's accepting their offer to whisk bin Laden off to the relative safety of Pakistan and then go "Well, he is no longer here and Al Qaeda has left. Best of luck with your war/horrible spasm."

Yes the Talibans harbored "terrorists", after all those guys helped them in the past with the Soviets, when they were freedom fighters or whatever. But the Talibans were, to my knowledge, not involved in any terrorism and they did not even like Osama that much, from what I have gathered.

The Taliban were not very nice people, put bluntly. A fondness for harsh asceticism and even harsher justice saw to that. They weren't as fond of rocketing apartment blocks as other warlords, such as Hekmatyar, were, but that isn't much of a point in their favor.
As far as their thoughts toward bin Laden, the Taliban, as far as well can tell, had some ideological differences over bin Laden's International Jihadism and the Taliban's effort to turn the clock back fourteen hundred years, but no substantial disagreement that would have seen him kicked out of the country by force, or was in any way afraid for his life.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Dane Wigington, when I hovered my mouse over his picture. The sponsor is shown in the first second, Geoengineeringwatch.org, Dane is the lead 'researcher' for that website. So how does a solar engineer have 'top secret CIA' information about 9/11, and not facing treason? Or is this just more garbage to go along with his California drought conspiracy.

I'm not wasting an hour of my time (on top of the time I've already spent researching GeoengineeringWatch and Wigington), just give me a summary of what his evidence is.

His name is Kevin Shipp former CIA anti-terrorism specialist. Again if you think that the "sponsor" disqualifies what this man has to say its your way discriminating and decision. I find his talk highly informative and trust worthy. Its your choice of staying ignorant. I am not going to baby sit you on this one.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Just 41 seconds.

 

[Bamspeedy]

His name is Kevin Shipp former CIA anti-terrorism specialist. Again if you think that the "sponsor" disqualifies what this man has to say its your way discriminating and decision. I find his talk highly informative and trust worthy. Its your choice of staying ignorant. I am not going to baby sit you on this one.

Ah, we must get tangled in the web of 'interesting stories' to be one of the 'enlightened ones' or we are the 'ignorant sheeple'.

Maybe if I had a summary I would say "Hmm, that sounds interesting, let's take a closer look". But no, another waste of my time with a bunch of nonsense.

Is it about his lawsuit? You can read about it here (5 minutes): http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/politics/11secrets.html?mcubz=3d
Disgruntled ex-employee, yeah they aren't exactly 100% reliable. Is there any way to back up any claims he makes, or do you just have to 'believe'. I'd tend to believe the stuff about his lawsuit and what happened to his home and family probably have at least some truth to them. If he's making any claims about 9/11 then I tend to believe he's being bitter and making stuff up for revenge. Would have to take a closer look at his claims, which I'm not going to spend an hour doing.

So I googled his name and got a little summary, which is the kind of summary we wanted to hear from you:

Kevin Shipp, a retired CIA operative, gives a presentation on how the US deep state operates and the very real threat this poses to the American people. He also touches on chemtrails, vaxinations and 911. This presentation just confirms what we already know, but acts as a real world reminder that the truth movement is correct on these matters.

 

[Nexlev]

My thoughts on conspiracy theories... I view it through the book Ecclesiastes (I recently found out this is Bob Dylan's favorite book of the bible, atleast according to Norm MacDonald)

"What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun."
and so much more...

History is one conspiracy after another, and there are surely conspiracies that we're living in the middle of. Probably some of the conspiracy theories I've read, and enjoyed trying to untangle, have some truth to them. Trying to, or thinking you can, untangle them from your couch by reading on your laptop will drive you to insanity though and prevent you from living a healthy life. Realize your own limitations, and realize that conspiracies are inevitable, power and oppression are inevitable. I'm not saying don't fight back to obvious oppression but don't let it consume your life... take the advice of Ecclesiastes

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Re: thread title - as if you'll ever let us forget it.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Re: thread title - as if you'll ever let us forget it.

You mean I have made simmilar thread every single year since 2001? Lol.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

"You" meaning Americans.