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pedrov
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LouLong said:
What's your purpose for this era? Are you interested in just this era specifically, or are you trying to fill gaps in a larger history?
LouLong said:
France:
Duke of Anjou (sacked Antwerp 1583)
Cardinal Richelieu
Tilly
Enghien
Turenne
Irish:
rebel Lord Tyrone (1599)
rebel O'Dogherty (1608)
Netherlands:
Maurice of Nassau
Question: "League" = "Catholic League"? If so: Tilly (yes,as above); Wallenstein (actually Imperials ...)
-Oz
pedrov
Collector of Threads
Let me add (most from "The Heritage of World Civilizations")
France:
-Henry III ruled from 1574-1589, and was the third son of Henry II. Was considered a neutral option by moderate catholics and moderate huguenots. When, during the mid 1580s the spanish-backed catholic league began dominating paris, Henry III resorted to the assassination of both the duke and cardinal of Guise (both strong catholics). He had to flee after this and sought the help of his protestant cousin, Henry of Navarre. After Henry III was assassinated by a militant dominican, Henry of Navarre became Henry IV and ruled form 1589-1610.
Netherlands:
-William of Nassau (the Prince of Orange) ruled 1533-1584 lead the initial opposition to Philip II of Spain. The Netherlands did not completely drive out the Spaniards until 1609 (the signing? of the Twelve Years' Truce). Probably the strongest personality during the early period... though he may predate your period of interest slightly.
Catholic League:
-organized in 1609 by Maximilian, duke of Bavaria (1573-1651). The League's army was under the command of Johann von Tilly (1559-1632).
North Africa:
-The only reference I have right now is for Sa' dis (1554-1659). I'm assuming he is the ruler of a Moroccan Sharifian (as in a claimed descendant of Muhammad, Sharif) dynasty of this period and helped unite the Arab & Berber populations against the Spanish and Portuguese.
Ireland:
-Someone has my books on Irish history right now, the info below should be considered loose. As an irish-descended american, I hate to admit that there really weren't many "great Irish leaders" of this period. They all get repeatedly thumped by various british generals.
-Hugh O'Neill stands out in this period ~1600, defeated by the brits along with a spanish army near kinsale by Mountjoy. Rory O'Donnell is another. All lost to Mountjoy.
France:
-Henry III ruled from 1574-1589, and was the third son of Henry II. Was considered a neutral option by moderate catholics and moderate huguenots. When, during the mid 1580s the spanish-backed catholic league began dominating paris, Henry III resorted to the assassination of both the duke and cardinal of Guise (both strong catholics). He had to flee after this and sought the help of his protestant cousin, Henry of Navarre. After Henry III was assassinated by a militant dominican, Henry of Navarre became Henry IV and ruled form 1589-1610.
Netherlands:
-William of Nassau (the Prince of Orange) ruled 1533-1584 lead the initial opposition to Philip II of Spain. The Netherlands did not completely drive out the Spaniards until 1609 (the signing? of the Twelve Years' Truce). Probably the strongest personality during the early period... though he may predate your period of interest slightly.
Catholic League:
-organized in 1609 by Maximilian, duke of Bavaria (1573-1651). The League's army was under the command of Johann von Tilly (1559-1632).
North Africa:
-The only reference I have right now is for Sa' dis (1554-1659). I'm assuming he is the ruler of a Moroccan Sharifian (as in a claimed descendant of Muhammad, Sharif) dynasty of this period and helped unite the Arab & Berber populations against the Spanish and Portuguese.
Ireland:
-Someone has my books on Irish history right now, the info below should be considered loose. As an irish-descended american, I hate to admit that there really weren't many "great Irish leaders" of this period. They all get repeatedly thumped by various british generals.
-Hugh O'Neill stands out in this period ~1600, defeated by the brits along with a spanish army near kinsale by Mountjoy. Rory O'Donnell is another. All lost to Mountjoy.
Would Cardinal Richelieu really be a military leader?
It's funny, but even after studying seventeenth-century French religious history, I still think of the cardinal as a lugubrious brown dog in a red cap, like in Dogtanian...
It's funny, but even after studying seventeenth-century French religious history, I still think of the cardinal as a lugubrious brown dog in a red cap, like in Dogtanian...
Plotinus said:
Yes, he was made a cardinal well into his career.
-Oz
LouLong
In love with Rei Ayanami
OK, seems I need to clarify a few things.
As mrtn wrote, this is for my "The Great Armada" scenario as I am still lacking some military leaders.
I have got civ leaders (ex: Hugh O'Neil for the Irish, William for Netherlands) but want only really military leaders.
For instance Oldenbarneveldt is IIRC more a politician than a military leader (the reason I know of him). And so is Richelieu (albeit I put him already for lack of better ones (and because of the siege of La Rochelle) ! I know, I am French but great captians have never been my main field of study !).
About the League, I mean the French Leaguers gathered around the family of the De Guise dukes, not the League within the HRE.
I should have started by stating what I already had :
England
Lord Mountjoy
France
Richelieu
Spain
Alba
Sidonia (admiral)
Alexandre Farnese
Don Juan of Austria
Spinola
Scotland
nothing
Irish clans
Butler
O'Donnell
Sir Phelim O'Neil
French League (around De Guise)
nothing
Netherlands
Maurice of Orange
Maghrib
nothing
and I just want to complete/create these lists.
So Sa'dis and O'Dogherty are good exemples of what I am looking for .
@ Ozy : about the French generals (especially Anjou, Enghien and Turenne) any idea which side they were on ? Coligny would have been nice but he is murdered before 1580.
As mrtn wrote, this is for my "The Great Armada" scenario as I am still lacking some military leaders.
I have got civ leaders (ex: Hugh O'Neil for the Irish, William for Netherlands) but want only really military leaders.
For instance Oldenbarneveldt is IIRC more a politician than a military leader (the reason I know of him). And so is Richelieu (albeit I put him already for lack of better ones (and because of the siege of La Rochelle) ! I know, I am French but great captians have never been my main field of study !).
About the League, I mean the French Leaguers gathered around the family of the De Guise dukes, not the League within the HRE.
I should have started by stating what I already had :
England
Lord Mountjoy
France
Richelieu
Spain
Alba
Sidonia (admiral)
Alexandre Farnese
Don Juan of Austria
Spinola
Scotland
nothing
Irish clans
Butler
O'Donnell
Sir Phelim O'Neil
French League (around De Guise)
nothing
Netherlands
Maurice of Orange
Maghrib
nothing
and I just want to complete/create these lists.
So Sa'dis and O'Dogherty are good exemples of what I am looking for .
@ Ozy : about the French generals (especially Anjou, Enghien and Turenne) any idea which side they were on ? Coligny would have been nice but he is murdered before 1580.
Oldenbarneveldt was indeed a politician, you should add Frederik Hendrik, he was called Stedendwinger (Cityforcer??) because he conquered so many cities. You might want to add the early rebels against Spain, Karel (Charles) of Egmond and William of Hoorne
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[Ant]Wimp
Warlord
Netherlands GL:
Michiel de Ruyter [1607-1676]
He was one of Netherlands greatest navyadmirals, though perhaps a bit too young for your scenario. He served in the navy around 1650 and onwards...
Michiel de Ruyter [1607-1676]
He was one of Netherlands greatest navyadmirals, though perhaps a bit too young for your scenario. He served in the navy around 1650 and onwards...
LouLong said:
Both Enghien and Turenne fought for Louis XIV; not sure about Anjou except that he sacked Antwerp, so he was with whomever was fighting the Netherlands then ...?
BTW Richelieu should not be under-estimated as a military commander, as it was he who reorganized the French army in the 1640s into battalions of 600-800 men, 2/3rds armed with muskets and 1/3rd with pikes.
-Oz
Rita Poon
You've just been Reinerd!
How about some suggestions for Khmer Scientific Leaders?
LouLong said:
For North African Military & Scientific Leaders see:
http://www.bartleby.com/67/822.html & http://www.bartleby.com/67/826.html
,Oz
Mistfit
Deity
I know that this guy was actually a King but it sounds as if he made some great srtides in Aqueducts and Water basins
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Bóreas
The Wind of the North
keeping our leaders theme, i need military and scientific leaders for Nubia(BC) for my Unification of Egypt scenario
jonatas
tropicalista
military leader for Maghreb- Muley Abd al-Malik
he deposed the Sultan of Morroco, consequently in 1578 Dom Sebastiao entered Morroco with a portuguese army and was utterly destroyed in the battle of Alcacer Quibir by Muley Abd al-Malik. As a result, Portugal's empire was dealt a powerful blow, and came under the control of Spain... this was one of the most crucial and legendary battles in all of Portuguese history
he deposed the Sultan of Morroco, consequently in 1578 Dom Sebastiao entered Morroco with a portuguese army and was utterly destroyed in the battle of Alcacer Quibir by Muley Abd al-Malik. As a result, Portugal's empire was dealt a powerful blow, and came under the control of Spain... this was one of the most crucial and legendary battles in all of Portuguese history
Mistfit
Deity
Bóreas said:
The seven statues, which stood between 1.3 to 2.7 meters (4 to 10 feet) tall, were inscribed with the names of five of Nubia's kings: Taharqa, Tanoutamon, Senkamanisken, Anlamani, and Aspelta.
King Taharqa, perhaps the most glorious Nubian king who also reigned over Egypt.
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pedrov
Collector of Threads
Egat! Someone found answers to the Khmer question!
BTW a humble announcement to all involved -- in case you hadn't noticed, we've been Stickied.
-Oz
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