Mistfit
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Pic's are my fotre! Gimme a bit. I'll post em here.
pedrov said:I've got a few units already (e.g., nautilus, airship, steam tank, steam tiger, etc., and even the DaVinci Tank). Anybody have some thoughts on good resources where I can find images and descriptions to pass on to the unitmakers? Where's the uber-googler?
ozymandias said:I passed on this link re: the Steam Punk mod; hopefully you'll find it useful -- http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/60lshp.html
Also a new one-- http://www.rudi-geudens.be/
-Oz
Hmm, rather interesting. But how many soldiers in total would Rome or France field? I'm not even sure how many Mongol armies (i.e., 2-3 tumens each) there might have been at a given time. We'd have to divide their total soldiery by the size of the formation to see if the number of those divisions would be mappable onto Civ. Otherwise, me with my 28-city empire, being able to economically field 35 attack units (plus 38 defensive garrisons, 9 artillery units and 20 other units), might not fit well with a roughly-500-combatants-per-unit model. I mean, is 17,500 combat-ready soldiers (or 51,000 personnel in total) sort of what we'd expect from a monarchy of 8,971,000 people in 1575AD? (Of course, these are just stats from the game I'm currently playing, and are probably tainted by the fact that I can't play Civ worth a sh*t.pedrov said:As usual, I'm going to take a stab at this by flinging out a bunch of information. This is just a collection of unit/size information from "Brassey's Encyclopedia of Military History and Biography."
Mithadan said:But how many soldiers in total would Rome or France field? I'm not even sure how many Mongol armies (i.e., 2-3 tumens each) there might have been at a given time. We'd have to divide their total soldiery by the size of the formation to see if the number of those divisions would be mappable onto Civ.
But can we come to some sort of reasonable aproximation? I tried to do some more math (math isn't my strong suit, let's say, in case I made some stupid error): a typical Mongol army was 2-3 tumens. (I'm assuming they'd have more than one army at a given time, maybe one in Europe, another in China, that sort of thing.) Let's say it's a 2 tumen army = 20,000 fighting cavalrymen = 40 Civ units (at 500 men a piece, the accurate term would be "½Minghan"!). So if I can field 40 Keshik-graphics, I've got me a Mongol army. Not bad, I guess. Feels a bit on the high side, though, especially if one can be expected to field more than one "army." If we were to call each Keshik-graphic a (full) "Minghan" (1000 Mongolian horse archers, basically), then I'd only need 20 (upwards of 30) units to have a typical Mongol army. That has a more doable feel to it, I gotta say, 'specially if I wanna try for two "armies" (40-60 Kesihk-graphics). (This would make my 35 attacker Arabians into a rather sizeable army -- if, of course, half of them weren't up in Siberia and the other half in the Congo!) So maybe 1,000 men = 1 civ unit is more reasonable for the Middle Ages at least (modern machinery like tanks, of course, throws this all out of whack)??pedrov said:The number of soldiers in an army really varies a lot over time even within the same country. It doesn't necessarily correlate with a country's population.
Bóreas said:Wow! thanx man
that's gonna be really helpful
but i dont know which ones i use as military leader, scientific leader or actual leader....
Atlanersa
(653 BCE - 640 BCE)
Atlanersa was most likely one of Taharqas sons. Very little is known about his reign. It is likely that Atlanersa was the king of Kush that the Greek historian Herodotus wrote about. He spoke of a king who encouraged the Egyptian soldiers stationed at Elephantine to desert their king and to come to Kush. The king promised the soldiers that, if they got rid of his enemies in the southern part of his kingdom, they could take over all their lands and settle there. So the Egyptian soldiers deserted Egypt. They went to work for the king of Kush, destroyed his enemies, took over their lands, and built towns there. Six centuries later Roman writers reported that the descendants of these Egyptians soldiers were still living in these towns in their day and had their own rulers, who were loyal to the king (or queen) of Meroë.
Atlanersa is best known from his beautiful granite stand from Jebel Barkal, now in the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. He probably died unexpectedly, for both his temple at Jebel Barkal and his tomb at Nuri were left unfinished when he died.
Not a milatary genious by the sounds of itTaharqa
690-664 B.C.
25th Dynasty
Taharqa was the brother of Shebitku and was the third king of the Twenty-fifth Dynasty. Shebitku died and Taharqa was crowned. Taharqa is responsible for building done both in Nubia as well as Egypt. He built the colonnade in the first court of the temple of Amun at Karnak. There is one column that stands twenty-one meters high and is still standing. During his reign, the Assyrians threatened Egypt once again. The Assyrians were successful in one invasion in which they captured Memphis, wounded Taharqa and stole his family and property. Taharqa survived the attack. It is thought that Taharqa died in 664 BC and was buried in his pyramid at Nuri near Napata.
Not a lot of info on this chapSenkamanisken
(640 BCE - 620 BCE)
Like Atlanersa, Senkamanisken is known only from his monuments but not from any historical inscriptions. He completed a small temple at Jebel Barkal started by Atlanersa. By the door of the temple, he placed a giant statue, about 4 meters (about 14 feet) high, which is now in the Sudan National Museum. Archaeologists also found three smaller statues and a sphinx representing the king at Jebel Barkal. His chief wife, Queen Nasalsa, outlived Senkamanisken. She was also the mother of two of his sons who became kings, Anlamani and Aspelta.
A bit better for military I supposeAnlamani
(620 BCE - 600 BCE)
Anlamani was Senkamaniskens son. Archaeologists learned about Anlamani from an inscribed stela (stone slab with writing carved into it) found at Kawa. The stela describes his coronation. It also tells about his decision to make four of his sisters "sistrum-players" in the four national temples of Amun. (The sistrum was a kind of rattle used in religious ceremonies.) People believed that the sound of the sistrum put the gods in a good mood. Women of the royal family were chosen to play these rattles in the temples. Anlamanis inscription also describes his warfare against the desert tribe called Bulahayo. He captured men and women in battle and put them to work as servants in the temples. Archaeologists found two statues of the king at Jebel Barkal. One life size statue is now in Khartoum. The other is over 12 feet high! That statue is in the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. In 1920, archaeologists excavated the palace of Anlamani at Jebel Barkal and found his actual throne room.
Aspelta
(600 BCE - 580 BCE)
Aspelta was Anlamanis brother. He became king after Anlamani died. According to things written during his reign, not everyone was happy about his becoming king. In his second year, he had trouble with some priests and ordered them executed. Soon after, perhaps to make up for executing the priests, he made some large gifts to the temple and built tombs for some long dead officials, who had no tombs.
Early in his reign Aspelta seems to have thought about a re-invasion of Egypt. The Egyptian king, Psammeticus II, attacked him first. According to Egyptian inscriptions, Psammeticus invaded Kush with an army of Egyptians and Greek mercenaries. He defeated a Nubian force and went on to attack the "town called the Cliff," which was probably Napata and Jebel Barkal. After this event, in 593 BCE, Aspelta moved his court further south to Meroë. You can see a giant statue of the king in the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, and his sphinx in the Sudan National Museum, Khartoum. His pyramid tomb at Nuri was one of the finest, most highly finished of all the Ku****e royal pyramids. It was also one of the least plundered. Archaeologists found many beautiful jewels and vessels of gold and alabaster there. These are shared between the Boston and Khartoum Museums.
Irike-amanote
(430 BCE - 400 BCE)
Irike-amanote (pronounced Ee-ree-keh-a-ma-no-teh) is one of the few kings after Aspelta known by his writings. The reason for this is probably because few people in Kush, after this time, remembered how to read or write in the Egyptian language. Irike-amanote is known from three Egyptian inscriptions, which he left at different times in his reign in the Amun temple at Kawa. These tell us that he came to the throne when he was "a youth" (41 years old!) and that he reigned at least 25 years more (meaning that he lived to be at least 66). He tells us that just before he was officially crowned, the nomads north of Meroë began a revolt and he had to go to war with them. Only after that was he able to go to Napata and Jebel Barkal for his coronation.
Later he took a trip from Napata down the river to visit the north. At this time, another nomad tribe, called the Meded, revolted. He then sent his army to seize their lands and capture the people to serve as servants in the temples. Some researchers think that Irike-amanote may have helped the Egyptians revolt against the invading Persians in 414-13 and 404 BCE. His pyramid at Nuri is one of the largest in the cemetery. Sadly, no pictures of the king survive.
Harsiotef
(390 BCE - 350 BCE)
Harsiotef is known from a stele (or round-topped stone monument) inscribed in Egyptian, which was found at Jebel Barkal. This stele was made after the king had ruled 35 years (which is the longest known reign of a Ku****e king). The inscription describes the events of his reign. It reveals that he had constantly to fight the desert people in his kingdom. He records that at one time the nomads even took over Meroë, his royal city. He also speaks of raids by his army into the desert, of capturing certain desert chiefs, and seizing lots of cattle. He sent his army into Lower Nubia three times, perhaps to try to extend his empire to the north, as in days of old. Harsiotefs inscription is especially interesting because it describes the holy site of Jebel Barkal as it was in his day. He speaks of covering temples partly with gold, of laying out gardens and cattle pens, and of rebuilding the old royal palace there, which, he says, had sixty rooms.
Nastasen
(335 BCE - 315 BCE)
Archaeologists learned about Nastasen from a stele (stone slab with writing carved into it) originally set up at Jebel Barkal. It was found at Letti, many miles downstream. It was carried there by people in ancient times and built into a building of the Christian period. We dont know how long Nastasen ruled, but his text is dated to the eighth year of rule. Like so many other Ku****e royal inscriptions, it describes the kings journey from Meroë to Napata for his coronation at Jebel Barkal. It also describes his visits to the important temples in the north. The text tells us that in his early reign, a "chief" from Egypt named Kambasawden invaded Lower Nubia. Kambasawden came with transport ships, people, and cattle. Nastasens army defeated the invaders, took their treasure, and dedicated it to the god Amun. The text mentions several other battles against desert peoples. These were also victorious and resulted in the capture of large numbers of cattle, goats, women, slaves, and gold.
Arkamani-qo
(270 BCE - 260 BCE)
Arkamani-qo is one of the rare kings of Kush mentioned by name in Greek histories. The Greek author Agatharcides of Cnidus, writing in the second century BCE, stated that Arkamani-qo, whom he called "Ergamenes," lived at the same time as King Ptolemy II of Egypt (285-246 BCE). Agatharcides explains that before Ergamenes became king, the priests of Amun always had the power to end a kings reign. All they had to do was send a letter to him ordering him to commit suicide. These letters were written as if they came directly from the god. Ergamenes received one of these letters, but instead of committing suicide, he marched to the temple with his troops and killed the priests!
This story is probably true, for Arkamani-qo was the first king to build his pyramid at Meroë rather than at Napata (i.e. Nuri). Many other changes also took place during and after his reign. For example, the Nubians began to develop their own styles of art and architecture that were different from Egyptian styles. They invented Meroitic writing, which replaced Egyptian at about this time. The Meroitic lion god Apedemak became as powerful as the Egyptian god Amun. The kings name seems to mean "Arkamani King," and scholars believe that he was the founder of a new dynasty. It is with his reign the the "Meroitic" Period is thought to begin.
Amanislo ("Amonasro")
(260 BCE - 250 BCE)
Amanislo ordered the building of the second royal pyramid at Meroë, and may have been Arkamani-qos son. He was the last king to rebuild the old palace at Jebel Barkal before a new one replaced it. He is famous mostly because he put his name on two granite lion statues at Jebel Barkal. In the 1820s British explorers carried these statues to England and put them in the British Museum. Scholars first read the kings name as "Amonasro." When the composer Giuseppi Verdi wrote his famous opera, Aida (about a Ku****e princess who falls in love with an Egyptian prince), he gave the name of "Amonasro" to Aidas father.
No, we can't.Mithadan said:But can we come to some sort of reasonable aproximation? ...
Mistfit said:If you have a list of city names that you are using I might be able to find their proper placement.
Mistfit said:In the spoiler tab are a listing of ancient Germanic towns and their Lattitude and Longitude this is from
Mistfit said:Thank you there is enough info in that Gremanic tribes portal to do a whole mod by itself. Any luck on the Long/Lat finder?
Mistfit said:I thought it would be helpful if we found somthing that Madeira could type in the Lattitude and Longitude and it would point on the map where those coordinates are