Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[God of Kings]

Mansa Musa was the reason Timbuktu became so romanticized that the name Timbuktu is used to mean an unspecified faraway place.

In fact, many people believed that Timbuktu is fictional (that is until Islamists besieged Timbuktu and Gao a few years ago).

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 9 (12-3) someone has to go, and I really like the America we have in civ VI and think that this civ is one of the last that really 'needs' a second leader. Especially since leaders like Lincoln aren't too far away from Teddy in history and it wouldn't bring the focus of the civ to another time frame of the game. Ok, Gorgo and Pericles are also from the same period, so Firaxis doesn't care that much.
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 37 (36+1) I want rulers with abilities that change the effects of policy cards - that always has two sides since it increases the use of some cards, but may mislead to overuse of those. Mansa Musa could be such a ruler with the ability that all gold that is generated via policies gets +30% more gold.
Mehmed II 17
Suryavarman II 24

 

[WillowBrook]

Abraham Lincoln 9
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 35 (34+1) big personality
Mansa Musa 37
Mehmed II 14 (17 -3) there are other options
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 9 +1 = 10 (Too iconic not to have in Civ VI with its agenda system. There are few other leaders on this list that could have truly great agendas for Civ VI frankly)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 37
Mehmed II 14 -3 = 11 (Frankly we don't need another Caesar ("Qayser-i Rûm") to lead a civ that hasn't appeared in the game yet; there are many better Turkish rulers. Mehmed II is largely famous for taking Constantinople and being a generic warrior king; I would much prefer to have Suleiman the Magnificent again. I don't see how Mehmed II could get an interesting agenda other than something warrior-based).
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 10
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 25-3=22 - We don't need another scandinavian ruler right now. And he's too close to Harald Hardrada in time. Firaxis would surely make him another Viking king. If there must be some Scandinavian Civ, let it be Sweden with Gustavus Adolphus.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 25+1=26 - Leads an unrelased civ? Check. Great in almost everything he did? Check. Beated enemy fleet by firing snakes on it? Check. He's so good and interresting he should get in the top 5 or top 3.
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 37
Mehmed II 11 - Mehmed conquered Constantinople and lots of other places, during his reign, Kannuname (book of laws) was created, he was great patron of the arts and he liked... gardening? That's interresting, I guess...
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Roman Citizen]

Abraham Lincoln 10
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 26+1=27 (who is a better leader of Carthage than Hannibal Barca?)
Hatshepsut 10
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 37-3=34 ( Nothing against him, just doing this because he can take a hit)
Mehmed II 11
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 10
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 7 (10-3) I'd prefer fresh blood. Seti I, Senusret III, Snofru, Amenhotep III, Akhenaten... and the list goes on with good choices.
João II 23
Louis XIV 36 (35+1) back to leading this list
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 11
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 7 (10 - 3) -- America doesn't need a second leader; if it does get a second leader, it needs someone earlier than Lincoln.
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 7
João II 23
Louis XIV 37 (36 + 1) -- "L'état, c'est moi."
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 11
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 7 + 1 = 8 (Disagree. America does need a second leader, one that will give it earlier bonuses and one who is iconic.)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 7
João II 23
Louis XIV 37 - 3 = 34 (While iconic, Louis XIV need not be upvoted this much, and he also bankrupted his nation. Also, he never said he was the state, or at least there is little evidence that he did, so there goes that iconic quote.)
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 11
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Siptah]

Disagree. America does need a second leader, one that will give it earlier bonuses and one who is iconic.

Earlier than the +5 combat that makes Teddy a good early game leader? And earlier than the Rough Rider that he can wield in Industrial Era?

 

[phaethon16]

Abraham Lincoln 8 + 1 = 9 (If you're going to have a second American leader and you don't want a Washington repeat or a second Roosevelt, you sort of have to go with Lincoln. Someone like Eisenhower or Polk would be cool, but if there are to be two American leaders, I want one of them to come from the trifecta of great American presidents that is FDR, Washington, and Lincoln.)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 7 - 3 = 4 (Instead of having a second Egyptian leader, I'd rather have a Nubian civilization. Also, Egypt sort of already has a second leader in Saladin, whose capital is Cairo after all.)
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 11
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Morningcalm]

Earlier than the +5 combat that makes Teddy a good early game leader? And earlier than the Rough Rider that he can wield in Industrial Era?

Yes, earlier than those, and more global than those. Teddy is not a great early game leader in all cases, as the +5 combat boost is for his home continent only.

 

[IgorS]

Abraham Lincoln 9
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 4 + 1 = 5 - Should have been in the game instead of Cleopatra.
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 11 - 3 = 8 - Suleiman is better.
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 9
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 22-3=19 - We don't need Scandinavian king, and this one is too close to Harald Hardrada in time. And Firaxis would make him stereotypical Viking king.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 5
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 8+1=9 - Deserves place in top 10, because he's leader of an unrelased, historically important Civ, because he was competent ruler, so he's fine alternative to Suleiman and because he liked art and gardening.
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Roman Citizen]

Abraham Lincoln 9+1=10~ It would be very welcoming to have Abe in the game, but if I had to pick an earlier President it would be James Madison. James Madison would be a good social card agenda leader (he is the father of the constitution after all and he wrote the bill of rights) and I could imagine a unique unit based off the USS Constitution ( It could be called "old ironsides").
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 19
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 27
Hatshepsut 5-3=2 as much as I like her, I want to see some new leaders for Egypt.
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 9
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 7 (10 - 3) -- Ut supra.
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 19
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27
Hannibal Barca 28 (27 + 1) -- The best choice for Carthage.
Hatshepsut 2
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 9
Suryavarman II 24

 

[IgorS]

Abraham Lincoln 7
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 19
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 27 + 1 = 28 - Would be nice to get Babylon back with Hammurabi
Hannibal Barca 28
Hatshepsut 2
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 9 - 3 = 6 - Suleiman would be preferable
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 7 + 1 = 8 (See above.)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 19
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
Hatshepsut 2 - 3 = Eliminated. While I love Hatshepsut, upon further reflection, I think Egypt could use a male warrior king to supplement Cleopatra. Hatshepsut's trade bonuses (ala Punt) would likely be similar to Cleopatra's (inexplicable) trade bonuses anyway.
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 6
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Abraham Lincoln 8
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 19-3=16 - He's too close to Harald. Firaxis would make him Viking, and I don't want another Viking civ/leader. We really don't need him.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 6+1=7 - We need Ottomans, and Mehmed is solid choice for leader. He isn't as great as Suleiman, I know, but he was still great Sultan. He should survive to the top 10.
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 5 (8 - 3) -- "America has no king. America needs no king." /Boromir
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 16
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 35 (34 + 1) -- His leader screen would be more entertaining than Ashoka's.
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 7
Suryavarman II 24