Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[Morningcalm]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 21
Hannibal Barca 20
Hammurabi 23 + 1 = 24 (The most awesome Babylonian leader alongside Nebuchadnezzar II, who we had in Civ V already)
João II 22
Louis XIV 24 - 3 = 21 (Not convinced he's a priority. France already has cultural bonuses so a leader bonus for culture on top of that would be redundant. And what would his war ability be? Extra combat strength at the cost of reduced gold generation in conquered cities? Also, tired of European leaders, and there is no evidence Louis actually ever said "I am the state", as documented in numerous sources online.)
Mansa Musa 33
Suryavarman II 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 21-3=18 - Germany really doesn't need another leader.
Hannibal Barca 20+1=21 - Yes please! Include this incredible man as leader of historical rival of Rome and commercial superpower of Meditarranean. He was great general who crossed the Alps with war elephants and beated Rome several times, he was great Shophet who made devastated Carthage commercial superpower after second punnic war again. He built new capital for king of Armenia. He was also great admiral, and he was the only one from this remaining group of leaders who beated enemy fleet by firing venomous snakes on it
Hammurabi 24
João II 22
Louis XIV 21
Mansa Musa 33
Suryavarman II 22

 

[Civciv5]

Wait how is Joan of Arc not fit as a leader of France?

Yeah, remember when Gandhi was President of India?

Neither do I.

She led the French against the English and remains a national hero, I'd say she makes just as much sense as Gandhi.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Wait how is Joan of Arc not fit as a leader of France?

Yeah, remember when Gandhi was President of India?

Neither do I.

She led the French against the English and remains a national hero, I'd say she makes just as much sense as Gandhi.

Although she led French soldiers and she is French national hero, the problem is that she was military general, not queen. Gandhi wasn't president of India, that's right. Actually, I think he is there only for the Nuclear Gandhi meme. If it wasn't for that meme, I doubt Firaxis would place him in game six times as leader of India.

By the way, I'm looking at your signature. Persia is already in game and SE Asian civ is guaranted. Firaxis conflirmed that new three Civs will be from Africa and SE Asia.

 

[God of Kings]

Although she led French soldiers and she is French national hero, the problem is that she was military general, not queen. Gandhi wasn't president of India, that's right. Actually, I think he is there only for the Nuclear Gandhi meme. If it wasn't for that meme, I doubt Firaxis would place him in game six times as leader of India.

Because of Gandhi, Benjamin Franklin is becoming more of a potential alternate leader for the United States (despite him never being president, despite being on the American $100 bill). Franklin is an excellent scientist, inventor, and statesman though (which would make him suitable for Great Scientist as well).

 

[Kimiimaro]

Because of Gandhi, Benjamin Franklin is becoming more of a potential alternate leader for the United States (despite him never being president, despite being on the American $100 bill). Franklin is an excellent scientist, inventor, and statesman though (which would make him suitable for Great Scientist as well).

I don't know much about him. He was surely a great man, but I can definitely say that Firaxis would pick some president as alternative leader for America. But I doubt we'll get alternative leader for any nation. But I can be mistaken...

 

[Siptah]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 18
Hannibal Barca 21
Hammurabi 21 (24-3) With Sumer in the game and Assyria missing, I agree that a Neo-Babylonian king would be preferable, Nabopolassar for example.
João II 22
Louis XIV 22 (21+1) Wow did he lose points fast.
Mansa Musa 33
Suryavarman II 22

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 18+1=19 same reasons as before.
Hannibal Barca 21
Hammurabi 21
João II 22
Louis XIV 22
Mansa Musa 33-3=30 While I do want to see the man with the biggest bling in the game, I do think his lead should be tuned down.
Suryavarman II 22

 

[Manifold]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 19
Hannibal Barca 21
Hammurabi 21
João II 22
Louis XIV 22
Mansa Musa 31 (30+1) rich, richer, Mansa Musa
Suryavarman II 19 (22-3) again

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 19
Hannibal Barca 21
Hammurabi 21 + 1 = 22 (Sorry, the Neo-Babylonian Empire leaders simply aren't as iconic as Hammurabi, and their agendas would be tricky to flesh out. Nabopolassar was known for conquering Nineveh, but we already have a Persian leader with that leader ability. As for his religious angle, he was no more or less religious than any number of leaders already in the game, like Jadwiga or Gandhi. So I don't think Nabopolassar in particular would be a good choice. The best Neo-Babylonian choice, Nebuchadnezzar, was already portrayed in Civ V)
João II 22
Louis XIV 22 - 3 = 19 (This guy is unfortunately typical for a European leader. Likes art and warfare, which to me sounds like Frederick the Great, who would at least add an art angle that Germany doesn't currently have. What would Louis XIV add to France, when it already has tourism, wonder bonuses, imperial garde, and chateaus?)
Mansa Musa 31
Suryavarman II 19

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 19-3=16 - I don't want more leaders for Germany!
Hannibal Barca 21+1=22 - Yes please. Bring me Carthage with Hannibal Barca!
Hammurabi 22
João II 22
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 31
Suryavarman II 19

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ashoka 26
Frederick the Great 16+1=17 same as last time.
Hannibal Barca 22
Hammurabi 22
João II 22-3=19 Is he important to history? Yes! Is he as interesting as the rest? no.
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 31
Suryavarman II 19

 

[Siptah]

Ashoka 23 (26-3) I want other leaders for India.
Frederick the Great 18 (17+1) same as Roman Citizen
Hannibal Barca 22
Hammurabi 22
João II 19
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 31
Suryavarman II 19

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashoka 23
Frederick the Great 18
Hannibal Barca 22
Hammurabi 22 + 1 = 23 (Upvoting one of the few truly ancient rulers remaining on this list who would also bring a cool civ with him)
João II 19 - 3 = 16 (Nothing against him particularly, but do we really need Portugal as a civ in this game in place of others? Simply NOT a priority, even if he is one of Portugal's best rulers, etc.)
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 31
Suryavarman II 19

 

[Guandao]

Ashoka 23
Frederick the Great 18
Hannibal Barca 22
Hammurabi 23
João II 16
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa (31-3)=28 I think he's leading by too much, while I'll like to see him return, I still don't know too much about him besides his wealth and his hajj pilgrimage.
Suryavarman II (19+1)=20 He seems to be one of the Khmer's best leaders, and I've a great desire to see the Khmer return

 

[IgorS]

Ashoka 23
Frederick the Great 18
Hannibal Barca 22
Hammurabi 23
João II 16 + 1 = 17 - because Portugal is a must
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 28 - 3 = 25 - let's even the playfield a bit
Suryavarman II 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashoka 23
Frederick the Great 18-3=15 - I don't want second leader for Germany!
Hannibal Barca 22+1=23 - I want this incredible man and commercial superpower of Mediterranean again!
Hammurabi 23
João II 17
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 25
Suryavarman II 20

 

[Manifold]

Ashoka 24 (23+1) I need him yesterday
Frederick the Great 15
Hannibal Barca 23
Hammurabi 23
João II 14 (17-3) not the peak of Portugal
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 25
Suryavarman II 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashoka 24
Frederick the Great 15
Hannibal Barca 23
Hammurabi 23 + 1 = 24 (I see no arguments against his greatness. All know his name, all know his code (in the Louvre), and some also know of his high spot in the Top Scores ranking for the last few Civ games. There's a reason for that. This guy was the Augustus Caesar of the ancient ancients.)
João II 14 - 3 = 11 (Simply not a priority, and we will likely see Portugal in expansion 2 as we always have done since Civ IV anyway.)
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 25
Suryavarman II 20

 

[Guandao]

Ashoka 24
Frederick the Great 15
Hannibal Barca 23
Hammurabi (24+1)=25 He should return to represent Babylon in Civ6!
João II (11-3)=8 I agree that Portugal is not a priority at the moment and will eventually return. There are other kings to choose from for Portugal as well.
Louis XIV 19
Mansa Musa 25
Suryavarman II 20