@ Soam. Here's the link to Pounder's irrigation. @Gaias. I have to say that I don't play to win in regular civ3 term.s. I play to win in RFRE terms but always end up with too much to do too late. Then along come the germans and huns and persians and I'm losing territory that I need to build the SS with no prospect of getting it back. This mod requires a certain leap of fate to begin with. You have to accept that you will lose territory to the above baddies but that it will be worth it in the end. But how do you build the SS without Gaul or Byzantium or Egypt or Pontus? Just speaking for myself, I love RFRE but I don't think I'll ever finish a game as it stands. I really don't think there's any point in 'playing to lose'. Yeah, the empire fell. But Pink, in his wisdom, came up with the SS victory, and for a reason. It's so that people like me will play it. I don't want to play any game I have no chance of winning.