[R&F] Rise and Fall Screenshot discussion

Could be that you can only place in on a luxery resource and both civs get access to the resource. That would mean you can't build anything but a resource improvement anyways, and it also doesn't cost you anything that there's a feitora there.

But why would you possibly allow Portugal to build it in your city?

Civ V feitorias being restricted to City-States made sense. The problem with them being built in rival civs is that the reward needs to be good enough for Portugal to justify them going to the effort of building it on the other side of the world, but also not so big (compared with the bonus to the host civ) that the other player doesn't let you sponge off their resources.
 
Also, does citrus spawn on desert tiles? :p If it is resource dependant, than it's the ...tobacco? or incense? on the next tile over.
 
Trying to figure out what it does might be a bit premature if we dont know what it is. :p
I'm not going to be dissuaded from speculating by a complete lack of information!
They convert oranges into Tang, which is essential for space travel.
 
At this point, I'd forego a FL video on a new civ Just for Ed to tell us what on earth this mystery building is. For all we know, it's actually a new themed casino in Vegas and Civ has marketing tie-in rights. :crazyeye:
 
I agree. If it is a Feitoria, placing it in an American city was done intentionally.
There are no boundaries, so that's not necessarily known either.

Maybe it's a wonder giving a luxury ressource or maybe even 4 like some of those merchants.
That would be a great bonus, but would also alter market value for those items, no? I was thinking it may need a great merchant to build a feitoria, though that would be insanely disappointing if so because they're hard to come by if you're not Venice.

Could be that you can only place in on a luxery resource and both civs get access to the resource. That would mean you can't build anything but a resource improvement anyways, and it also doesn't cost you anything that there's a feitora there.
That's the angle I was thinking. Building a feitoria could be a result of a diplomatic agreement.
 
Oooo good catch. Oranges grow in Portugal & Spain, though curious why they'd be planted anywhere else.

From the wikipedia article on 'Oranges': As Portuguese merchants were presumably the first to introduce the sweet orange to some regions of Europe, in several modern Indo-European languages the fruit has been named after them.

Maybe just a coincidence, but...

Edit: whoops didn't realize it would copy the links as well
 
That "feitoria" isn't built on Citrus, because the tile is desert, where Citrus doesn't appear. The orange trees are a component of the "feitoria". It could provide amenties from luxuries to America and (likely) Portugal, but not because it was built on a luxury.

Also, if it were a Wonder with integrated roads, the roads should be the same as appears in the rest of the civ. But what might be a road on the tile doesn't match the known roads. So I'm convinced it is not a Wonder.

Speaking of roads, I missed what the consensus was for the Washington Square Park, but it does have the integrated roads that Wonders do. So it is likely a Wonder.
 
The idea of an UI Feitoria that you can build in an allies land is growing on me. Especially considering their alliance rework.
 
That "feitoria" isn't built on Citrus, because the tile is desert, where Citrus doesn't appear. The orange trees are a component of the "feitoria". It could provide amenties from luxuries to America and (likely) Portugal, but not because it was built on a luxury.

Also, if it were a Wonder with integrated roads, the roads should be the same as appears in the rest of the civ. But what might be a road on the tile doesn't match the known roads. So I'm convinced it is not a Wonder.

Speaking of roads, I missed what the consensus was for the Washington Square Park, but it does have the integrated roads that Wonders do. So it is likely a Wonder.
The park is a improvement related to a certain governor.

What would happen to the feitoria in case of war?
 
The park is a improvement related to a certain governor.

What would happen to the feitoria in case of war?

The city park is an improvement built/unlocked by a Governor, this is known. But what appears in the screenshot doesn't appear to be a tile improvement because roads loop around improvement models rather than connecting to them, which is the case with Wonders. Unless this improvement does work like a Wonder in that regard by virtue of the Governor or something.

In my opinion, what we are seeing is a Washington Square Park Wonder and not a city park.

And I don't know what would happen to the Feitoria in the occurrence of war. It could be possible for America to raze or demolish it. Whatever bonuses it would provide would certainly be null.
 
From the wikipedia article on 'Oranges': As Portuguese merchants were presumably the first to introduce the sweet orange to some regions of Europe, in several modern Indo-European languages the fruit has been named after them.

Maybe just a coincidence, but...

Edit: whoops didn't realize it would copy the links as well

Interesting. Furthermore:

As Portuguese merchants were presumably the first to introduce the sweet orange to some regions of Europe, in several modern Indo-European languages the fruit has been named after them. Some examples are Albanian portokall, Bulgarian портокал (portokal), Greek πορτοκάλι (portokali), Macedonian portokal, Persian پرتقال (porteghal), Turkish portakal and Romanian portocală.[29][30] Related names can be found in other languages, such as Arabic البرتقال (bourtouqal), Georgian ფორთოხალი (pʰortʰoxali), Turkish portakal and Amharic birtukan.[29] Also, in some of the Italian regional languages (e.g. Neapolitan), an orange is portogallo or purtuallo, literally "(the) Portuguese (one)", in contrast to the Italian arancia.

As oranges are rich in vitamin C and do not spoil easily, during the Age of Discovery, Portuguese, Spanish, and Dutch sailors planted citrus trees along trade routes to prevent scurvy.

So if it's not a wonder, that means that it's an improvement of some kind. It's certainly got the general components of a feitoria, even if the architecture is confusing things, and the orange trees would make sense.
 
Washington Square Park becoming a World Wonder is a strange choice for me. It's so unremarkable.
If it and the Amusement Park (Santa Monica Pier) are both World Wonders. I'll eat my hat. Too many American wonders.
 
Where you are seeing this Feitoria? Which pic?

Also I'm pumped that Civ Analyst is updating again! I love this feeling of waiting for a big Civ release and checking out Arioch's site and all the FirstLook -videos etc.
 
Where you are seeing this Feitoria? Which pic?

Also I'm pumped that Civ Analyst is updating again! I love this feeling of waiting for a big Civ release and checking out Arioch's site and all the FirstLook -videos etc.

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The structure in between the Oasis and Fishery.
 
Washington Square Park becoming a World Wonder is a strange choice for me. It's so unremarkable.
If it and the Amusement Park (Santa Monica Pier) are both World Wonders. I'll eat my hat. Too many American wonders.
Maybe, if the governors' names (and personalities) are set and not civ-given, the entertainment one will have an "american" personality and allows building the garden/entertainment district on water? :p

This was the screenshot that came along with governors in the blog after all. It could show off (at least) 3 of their improvements.
 
Washington Square Park becoming a World Wonder is a strange choice for me. It's so unremarkable.
If it and the Amusement Park (Santa Monica Pier) are both World Wonders. I'll eat my hat. Too many American wonders.

I think the pier is a district, although I cannot pinpoint a purpose for it yet. I disagree that it is a UD for the Entertainment Complex, and suspect that it will not overlap with the EC's purpose.

And it has significant differences from the Santa Monica pier (which has the ferris wheel closer to shore).
 
So the feitoria basically confirms Portugal. And if the map in the trailer wasn't a big red herring, the Dutch as well. That's probably it for European civs then (2 out of 8)?
 
So the feitoria basically confirms Portugal. And if the map in the trailer wasn't a big red herring, the Dutch as well. That's probably it for European civs then (2 out of 8)?

I doubt that there will be only two European Civs in this expansion. I think more like 4 or 5.
 
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