[R&F] Rise and Fall Screenshot discussion

[eso12por8]

Washington Square Park becoming a World Wonder is a strange choice for me. It's so unremarkable.
If it and the Amusement Park (Santa Monica Pier) are both World Wonders. I'll eat my hat. Too many American wonders.

uhhh YEAH!
What is this craziness?! I'm convinced it has to be either involved with governors or (please God, hopefully) civ-specific national wonders.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

So the feitoria basically confirms Portugal. And if the map in the trailer wasn't a big red herring, the Dutch as well. That's probably it for European civs then (2 out of 8)?

I don't think the discussion about the "feitoria" is finished yet, but I am confident about it.

 

[Cerilis]

Tbf, I think the "feitoria" is a bit too pompous for a simple improvement. A governor improvement at the least.

 

[ferretbacon]

So the feitoria basically confirms Portugal. And if the map in the trailer wasn't a big red herring, the Dutch as well. That's probably it for European civs then (2 out of 8)?

If this is a feitoria, the Portuguese are in, but I don't really buy that we'd get the Dutch as well. They're not identical by any means, but they are both European and maritime. I think, at this point, the Dutch allusion in the trailer might simply be a red herring.

 

[conorbebe]

I think the pier is a district, although I cannot pinpoint a purpose for it yet. I disagree that it is a UD for the Entertainment Complex, and suspect that it will not overlap with the EC's purpose.

The purpose is that it doesn’t take up a tile of land. Also, I theorise it will have different buildings when placed on water (like the Ferris wheel), potentially giving new effects.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Tbf, I think the "feitoria" is a bit too pompous for a simple improvement. A governor improvement at the least.

No, we know there are only two governor buildings and they are fisheries and city parks.

 

[Cerilis]

No, we know there are only two governor buildings and they are fisheries and city parks.

Fair enough, I wasnt sure right now if we knew which two were those.

Still, it would be possible for a governor to allow an entertainment district to be build on water (maybe with "full buildings" baseline), without it being counted as a "new district" right?

 

[Xandinho]

Honestly, I do not believe that is a Feitoria and I also do not believe that Portugal will be in this expansion. If this expansion will be including 3 or 4 European civs, I am quite sure that Holland is the most certain, the others may be Celts and a European civ never seen before.

That structure in the Screenshot can be a Kilwa build.

 

[Uberfrog]

Washington Square Park becoming a World Wonder is a strange choice for me. It's so unremarkable.
If it and the Amusement Park (Santa Monica Pier) are both World Wonders. I'll eat my hat. Too many American wonders.

Yeah, I mean... really?

Especially since the pier repurposes a lot of the graphics from the entertainment district. I mean I know we've had the Great Firewall and Ruhr Valley before, but these would be the most eyebrow-raising choices for world wonder in a while. Especially the Park - there's a much more famous and iconic one in the same city!

 

[JacquesBquick]

Maybe, if the governors' names (and personalities) are set and not civ-given, the entertainment one will have an "american" personality and allows building the garden/entertainment district on water?

I think what's interesting about the photo is that it includes Liberty, and the boardwalk entertainment complex which can be interpreted to be Coney Island. combined with Washington Sq Park, its clearly a NYC themed shot.

the quality of the park model is in this very hard to parse middle ground between the look of general tile improvements and wonders. It looks more detailed and shinier than a farm or a mine or even more unique ones like the big heads or stepwells in that it very fully fills the tile in a structured way like a wonder. However it isn't very vertical and it does not supersize the key feature of washington sq, the arch. most wonders quite emphasize the spectacle over surrounding structures, or are very vertical. Kamakura Buddha, Big Ben, Broadway, etc. perhaps there's a bonus for getting the first city park, or something like that and if you do you get a nicer model? i don't know how much i buy that. I guess i'm simply inclined to think governor improvements look nicer because maybe you're limited in how many you get to have and to visually separate them from other generic tile improvements

 

[Siptah]

I think the pier is a district, although I cannot pinpoint a purpose for it yet. I disagree that it is a UD for the Entertainment Complex, and suspect that it will not overlap with the EC's purpose.

And it has significant differences from the Santa Monica pier (which has the ferris wheel closer to shore).

I think it‘s also a governor thing. The same governor that lets you build the park, lets you build an EC on water tiles after some upgrades. Or another governor is at work. I think both structures are for amenity purposes. It‘s wild speculation, and just my opinion today.

 

[Guandao]

No, we know there are only two governor buildings and they are fisheries and city parks.

I would like a source for that statement. I don't remember reading that before.

 

[eso12por8]

What would happen to the feitoria in case of war?

If it remains true to history, feitorias are vulnerable at all times. They're not typically occupied by a military unit, but can be protected that way. This is what led to the downfall of the Portuguese Empire. The British exploited the opportunity to seize Portuguese feitorias while they were preocupied with a succession crisis (that's how they got all those African countries, India & the Dutch Indonesia).

 

[Uberfrog]

I think what's interesting about the photo is that it includes Liberty, and the boardwalk entertainment complex which can be interpreted to be Coney Island. combined with Washington Sq Park, its clearly a NYC themed shot.

the quality of the park model is in this very hard to parse middle ground between the look of general tile improvements and wonders. It looks more detailed and shinier than a farm or a mine or even more unique ones like the big heads or stepwells in that it very fully fills the tile in a structured way like a wonder. However it isn't very vertical and it does not supersize the key feature of washington sq, the arch. most wonders quite emphasize the spectacle over surrounding structures, or are very vertical. Kamakura Buddha, Big Ben, Broadway, etc. perhaps there's a bonus for getting the first city park, or something like that and if you do you get a nicer model? i don't know how much i buy that. I guess i'm simply inclined to think governor improvements look nicer because maybe you're limited in how many you get to have and to visually separate them from other generic tile improvements

I agree, I think it's most likely that all three of those unusual constructions in the American city are Governor-related improvements. If that "feitoria" thing is a Wonder it's a mighty obscure one.

Santa Monica Pier I can just about accept as a Wonder, but the park...

 

[Cerilis]

If a governor could enhance a simple fort to a feitoria would it also not be counted as a "new improvement"?

 

[Vahnstad]

So the feitoria basically confirms Portugal. And if the map in the trailer wasn't a big red herring, the Dutch as well. That's probably it for European civs then (2 out of 8)?

I doubt that there will be only two European Civs in this expansion. I think more like 4 or 5.

Probably three, but it also depends on how you define a European civ. I think we will see Canada and an Anatolian civ, and possibly Colombia, those are all half-European civs. And Tamar of Georgia is also 50/50, and a possibility. Netherlands is a given, and Portugal may very well be in the expansion.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

This is also probably the part of the game where we remind each other that nothing is finalized yet, art changes. etc.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I would like a source for that statement. I don't remember reading that before.

https://twitter.com/antonstrenger/status/935621956883402752

Anton confirms the 2 new tile improvements include governor improvements, which we know are the city park and fishery from this video:

also:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/civilization-vi/civ-6-rise-and-fall-release-date-new-civs-gameplay-trailers

PS, there's a whole lot of people making Occam cry.

 

[Cerilis]

Alright, I'm back to believing the dome building is a wonder. The Google picture search-guy must hate me by now.

 

[Guandao]

Probably three, but it also depends on how you define a European civ. I think we will see Canada and an Anatolian civ, and possibly Colombia, those are all half-European civs. And Tamar of Georgia is also 50/50, and a possibility. Netherlands is a given, and Portugal may very well be in the expansion.

Why an Anatolian Civ? I really don't want an Akkadian speaking Hittite leader. Unless, you're referring to the Ottomans or Byzantines.