Rnes5: To Trust a Thief. Board NES
- Thread starter RoddyVR
- Start date
Britains with 43 can turn to sea and 
NORWAY (j/k) and frace and spain and russia and .... i have sea capabilities mua ha ha 
but i did start 1 turn after you lot and managed to give erez all my money 
Diplo
To Norway
FRom Britain
Want a PEACE treaty
thats means no attacking each other.
You can take island above me if you want as long as you sign peace
NORWAY (j/k) and frace and spain and russia and .... i have sea capabilities mua ha ha but i did start 1 turn after you lot and managed to give erez all my money Diplo
To Norway
FRom Britain
Want a PEACE treaty
thats means no attacking each other.
You can take island above me if you want as long as you sign peace
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
ok, so got orders from everyone. everything is good except for one set (you'll see in the PM i'll send if you dont get on aim soon).
both of the NPCs are now at war it seems. both were attacked, and as far as i'm concerned for no reason. both attacks were easily predictable, though there wasnt much spain could do about it. lets see the outcomes:
Battles:
a couple of the battles here, are the first in the game to realy need the randomness of the battle system, i'll go through them step by step so you can see how the system works(or doesnt).
Territory 57 - Turkey 1 vs Russia 0
an attack that seemed expected by everyone who gave it some thought. The town gets razed, but no meaningfull resistance.
Terriotry 63 - Norway 4 vs Russia 0
Russia is now in a two front war, and this isnt a good opening for the second front for them.
Territory 33 - Rome 3 vs Austria 3
(A=3, D=3, so X=3) both sides roll 9(3*3) sided dice.
Attacker rolls 7, defender rolls 8.
defender looses 2 armies (7/3=2.3 round down cause his roll is bigger)
attacker looses 3 armies (8/3=2.6 round up cause his roll is smaller)
Territory 45 - Africa 4 vs Spain 2
(A=4, D=2, so X=4) Attacker rolls 16 (4*4) sided dice, defender rolls 8 sided (2*4)
attacker rolls 9
defender rolls 4
defender looses 2 armies (9/4=2.25, rouded up =3, but only 2 to loose)
attacker looses 1 army (4/4=1, rounding wont do much here, but it would be down if needed)
here's the map.
econ:
both of the NPCs are now at war it seems. both were attacked, and as far as i'm concerned for no reason. both attacks were easily predictable, though there wasnt much spain could do about it. lets see the outcomes:
Battles:
a couple of the battles here, are the first in the game to realy need the randomness of the battle system, i'll go through them step by step so you can see how the system works(or doesnt).
Territory 57 - Turkey 1 vs Russia 0
an attack that seemed expected by everyone who gave it some thought. The town gets razed, but no meaningfull resistance.
Terriotry 63 - Norway 4 vs Russia 0
Russia is now in a two front war, and this isnt a good opening for the second front for them.
Territory 33 - Rome 3 vs Austria 3
(A=3, D=3, so X=3) both sides roll 9(3*3) sided dice.
Attacker rolls 7, defender rolls 8.
defender looses 2 armies (7/3=2.3 round down cause his roll is bigger)
attacker looses 3 armies (8/3=2.6 round up cause his roll is smaller)
Territory 45 - Africa 4 vs Spain 2
(A=4, D=2, so X=4) Attacker rolls 16 (4*4) sided dice, defender rolls 8 sided (2*4)
attacker rolls 9
defender rolls 4
defender looses 2 armies (9/4=2.25, rouded up =3, but only 2 to loose)
attacker looses 1 army (4/4=1, rounding wont do much here, but it would be down if needed)
here's the map.
econ:
Code:
country gold to spend, size
Britain 61 10
France 15 15
Spain 12 8
Africa 47 19
Rome 29 14
Turkey 20 14
Russia -1 8
Norway 23 16
Germany 10 16
Austria 26 16
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
.txt???
and it's empty.
and it's empty.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
From Norway
To Britain
We accept the peace treaty.
To Britain
We accept the peace treaty.
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
From: Russia
To: Norway
Good morning you backstabbing vikings. We realy trusted you... Compared to you Turkey is the most trustworthy nation on the earth. At least they said nothing, to avoid lieing...
To: Norway
Good morning you backstabbing vikings. We realy trusted you... Compared to you Turkey is the most trustworthy nation on the earth. At least they said nothing, to avoid lieing...
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
From Russia
To Norway
If you look closely, we actually said nothing that would really have implied a peace treaty. I learned the art of careful wording from this sort of NES (and some games of Risk) .
IIRC
I said "Here's a reason for my armies" once. Not THE reason.
I said I wouldn't expand further. I never mentioned using military force to take provinces.
The only person who fooled you is yourself.
Warning, just watch out for me in the future...
From Norway
To Turkey
By my reckoning:
Russia is earning 8 gold from provinces and spending 21 gold in army upkeep.
They spent 16 of their 22 gold last turn building armies.
If they succeeded in sending out 6 caravans last turn they would have received 12 gold.
This puts them 1 gold in the red so far. If we continue our successes, we may just win by bankrupting them... they cannot continue to build both their armies and their economy.
Edit regarding post below:
Hmm, yeah, good idea. Each update, release the password for the previous one, and post a new file with the new orders for the NPCs.
To Norway
If you look closely, we actually said nothing that would really have implied a peace treaty. I learned the art of careful wording from this sort of NES (and some games of Risk) .
IIRC
I said "Here's a reason for my armies" once. Not THE reason.
I said I wouldn't expand further. I never mentioned using military force to take provinces.
The only person who fooled you is yourself.
Warning, just watch out for me in the future...
From Norway
To Turkey
By my reckoning:
Russia is earning 8 gold from provinces and spending 21 gold in army upkeep.
They spent 16 of their 22 gold last turn building armies.
If they succeeded in sending out 6 caravans last turn they would have received 12 gold.
This puts them 1 gold in the red so far. If we continue our successes, we may just win by bankrupting them... they cannot continue to build both their armies and their economy.
Edit regarding post below:
Hmm, yeah, good idea. Each update, release the password for the previous one, and post a new file with the new orders for the NPCs.
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
econ posted. sorry for taking so long. seems i'm actualy supposed to do something here other then modding NESes
lol.
anyway, since both of the NPCs are now at war, and it seems that neither is going to be taken by a player. both of the people that have shown interest in joining, seem to just be stringing me along, or maybe dont want to let me down by saying "no".
the problem this creates is that especialy austria, NEEDS to be in the politics of the world. so from now i'll play them as real nations. diplomacy and all can be sent to me by PM SEPERATE from your orders. i'll try my best to play them AS IF i dont know all the stuff i know as the mod, and i definetly wont cheat (by looking at your orders before doing theirs), but i do know stuff that a regular player wouldnt so there is some problems that can arise from that.
if you would like, i can send you a passworded word file with the orders for either or both before getting your orders. that will ensure that i've decided what the NPC is doing before getting your orders. there are problems with that system too, but i think they pale in comparison to a player thinking i cheated them out of a victory in a battle or strategic move.
oh ye, almost forgot.
Russia's -1 gold to spend, means that he has to tell me in his orders which of his current armies will be disbanded BEFORE any armies move or fight.
his enemies wont know which one he's disbanding, but he wont get to use it either.
lol.
anyway, since both of the NPCs are now at war, and it seems that neither is going to be taken by a player. both of the people that have shown interest in joining, seem to just be stringing me along, or maybe dont want to let me down by saying "no".
the problem this creates is that especialy austria, NEEDS to be in the politics of the world. so from now i'll play them as real nations. diplomacy and all can be sent to me by PM SEPERATE from your orders. i'll try my best to play them AS IF i dont know all the stuff i know as the mod, and i definetly wont cheat (by looking at your orders before doing theirs), but i do know stuff that a regular player wouldnt so there is some problems that can arise from that.
if you would like, i can send you a passworded word file with the orders for either or both before getting your orders. that will ensure that i've decided what the NPC is doing before getting your orders. there are problems with that system too, but i think they pale in comparison to a player thinking i cheated them out of a victory in a battle or strategic move.
oh ye, almost forgot.
Russia's -1 gold to spend, means that he has to tell me in his orders which of his current armies will be disbanded BEFORE any armies move or fight.
his enemies wont know which one he's disbanding, but he wont get to use it either.
Jason The King
Deity
To Africa
From France
Congratulations on your victories!
To Spain
From France
We are now at war.
From France
Congratulations on your victories!
To Spain
From France
We are now at war.
erez87
Lord of Random
- Joined
- May 16, 2002
- Messages
- 13,500
Gruban empty PM box.
btw my answers are:
1) Agreed we will send the 1 gold, we almost forgot.
2) Agreed, from now on Rome will only "steal" 2 merchants only from Carthage, rest are welcome. (your the second country that actualy asked us befor trading with us), we hope Roman merchants will be welcomed in Carthage tought now our main trade country is France.
3 cannot be answered here
btw my answers are:
1) Agreed we will send the 1 gold, we almost forgot.
2) Agreed, from now on Rome will only "steal" 2 merchants only from Carthage, rest are welcome. (your the second country that actualy asked us befor trading with us), we hope Roman merchants will be welcomed in Carthage tought now our main trade country is France.
3 cannot be answered here
RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
so i have a grand total of 2 (TWO!!!) PMs of orders.
come on... i'd like to get an update in today, cuase its easier to do at work then at home.
come on... i'd like to get an update in today, cuase its easier to do at work then at home.
tossi
Der kleine Prinz
orders sent
Gladinia
Well, who else
a-sending orders...
Finmaster
The White Ghost
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2003
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RoddyVR
Veteran Board NESer
ok, great orders all. had orders from everyone, and only a couple minor questions easily answered by aim. nice.
Battles
Territories 14,15,18, 46, 57,
all taken without a fight. structures down 1 level where there was anything built.
Territory 17 - Spain 3 vs Africa 1
The African invaders manage to take out a spanish army before being defeated.
Territory 60 - Russia 4 vs Turkey 1
The Turkish defenders take out 1 Russian army before being driven from the formaly Russian lands.
Terriotry 59 - Russia 2 vs Norway 1
The Norwegian army had no chance and was decimated by the highly motivated Russian Armies.
Econ and PMs in a few. here's the map for now.
Finmaster, your PM box is full, couldnt send you your PM. you're in Hungary proly anyways so might not need it. just thought i'd mention it.
Battles
Territories 14,15,18, 46, 57,
all taken without a fight. structures down 1 level where there was anything built.
Territory 17 - Spain 3 vs Africa 1
The African invaders manage to take out a spanish army before being defeated.
Territory 60 - Russia 4 vs Turkey 1
The Turkish defenders take out 1 Russian army before being driven from the formaly Russian lands.
Terriotry 59 - Russia 2 vs Norway 1
The Norwegian army had no chance and was decimated by the highly motivated Russian Armies.
Econ and PMs in a few. here's the map for now.
Code:
Country GTS Size
Britain 102 12
France 13 17
Spain 11 4
Africa 54 23
Rome 11 16
Turkey 26 10
Russia -9 10
Norway 43 17
Germany 3 14
Austria 23 16
erez87
Lord of Random
- Joined
- May 16, 2002
- Messages
- 13,500
to Austria:
You cannot defende both 33 and 42 fully... We tell you to give us 33 BACK or else this war will continue, don't forget you just attacked Turkey... So you got yourself an enemy on the rear...
to Germany:
Do you realy trust Austria that much? Don't forget they just attacked Austrria aggresivly... Join us in our crusade to get rid of Austria.
You cannot defende both 33 and 42 fully... We tell you to give us 33 BACK or else this war will continue, don't forget you just attacked Turkey... So you got yourself an enemy on the rear...
to Germany:
Do you realy trust Austria that much? Don't forget they just attacked Austrria aggresivly... Join us in our crusade to get rid of Austria.
