I consider it a very strong possibility, but not a hard probability. It's not even October yet (yeah okay... tomorrow) and the debates haven't happened yet. A lot can happen in five weeks.
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I consider it a very strong possibility, but not a hard probability. It's not even October yet (yeah okay... tomorrow) and the debates haven't happened yet. A lot can happen in five weeks.
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I suppose we'll have to see. A fairer answer than I expected.
So do I.
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His "Stand" is about as stable as a man standing on quicksand. Nobody knows what he'll do.
I'm betting he'll do even worse on foreign policy than Obama has thus far, while not changing much on the fiscal side, not touching Obamacare (Even if he can), and not doing a thing about abortion, in spite of his "New" stance.
I think the only thing that's going to change is foreign policy, and I think its going to get worse (Read: more imperialist.)
That said, that's just a guess. Nobody really knows. Maybe he will impress me enough to vote for him in 2016 if he does win*. Its not outside the realm of possibility.
At least Obama is predictable. Horrible (IMO), but predictable. We know about what we're going to get in four more years of him. And when presented with two crappy choices, I'd rather stick with what we know than the alternative.
I wouldn't vote for Obama, obviously. But if I were literally forced to vote between the two, I'd keep what we have, solely on the basis of foreign policy. I think in that realm Obama will actually be better than Romney, if only by a thin margin.
If I could make my choice I'd take either Johnson or Goode before either of them. And I'd write in you know who before I'd vote for either of them (Along with over 18,000 other people
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*Note- I still wouldn't approve of the man. Romney would have to do a lot of things he doesn't really stand for in order to get me to vote for him. This wouldn't make me "Happy" to vote for him, but if he didn't start any wars, at least wasn't any worse than the President on wiretapping, and was at least a fiscal moderate (Let alone a fiscal conservative) I'd probably vote for him again over a Democrat that I likely would not approve of. I would rather vote for a candidate that has a chance over one that doesn't. But I don't think Romney will even be good enough that I could support him even as the lesser evil.
I'm betting he'll do even worse on foreign policy than Obama has thus far, while not changing much on the fiscal side, not touching Obamacare (Even if he can), and not doing a thing about abortion, in spite of his "New" stance.
I think the only thing that's going to change is foreign policy, and I think its going to get worse (Read: more imperialist.)
That said, that's just a guess. Nobody really knows. Maybe he will impress me enough to vote for him in 2016 if he does win*. Its not outside the realm of possibility.
At least Obama is predictable. Horrible (IMO), but predictable. We know about what we're going to get in four more years of him. And when presented with two crappy choices, I'd rather stick with what we know than the alternative.
I wouldn't vote for Obama, obviously. But if I were literally forced to vote between the two, I'd keep what we have, solely on the basis of foreign policy. I think in that realm Obama will actually be better than Romney, if only by a thin margin.
If I could make my choice I'd take either Johnson or Goode before either of them. And I'd write in you know who before I'd vote for either of them (Along with over 18,000 other people
)*Note- I still wouldn't approve of the man. Romney would have to do a lot of things he doesn't really stand for in order to get me to vote for him. This wouldn't make me "Happy" to vote for him, but if he didn't start any wars, at least wasn't any worse than the President on wiretapping, and was at least a fiscal moderate (Let alone a fiscal conservative) I'd probably vote for him again over a Democrat that I likely would not approve of. I would rather vote for a candidate that has a chance over one that doesn't. But I don't think Romney will even be good enough that I could support him even as the lesser evil.
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It's so weird how this guy got it right when the rest of them couldn't!
This reminds me of a segment from the Colbert Report last week.
This reminds me of a segment from the Colbert Report last week.
It's always easy to make a choice for incorrect reasons:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html
No politician has done a thing about illegal immigration since Reagan's amnesty. 5 presidents and over 25 years of Congresses have chosen no to do anything about illegal immigration. Current Republicans in Congress have refused to work with Obama on an immigration reform. While GW Bush was in office, Republicans refused to work with him on immigration reform as well.
Why would Romney do any differently?
And, more importantly, why is it so important that it decides your vote?
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I agree with you that illegal immigration is a bad thing. Legal immigrants actually pay taxes, and people hiring them actually have to follow the market rates when hiring them. So my problem isn't with immigration as such, I have no problem with reducing the restrictions we have on it, but illegally immigrating here (Other than refugees from Cuba) should not be tolerated.
That said, it is not the issue I am going to bank my entire decision on.
I'm fiscally conservative, usually socially libertarian, and non-interventionist for the most part on foreign policy. Fiscal and foreign issues would usually trump social ones, except for a couple of social issues I consider to be extremely important. (Mainly abortion [pro-life] and surveilance [Against it, give us our doggone privacy])
Neither candidate is fiscally conservative. Although I would give a slight edge to Romney on fiscal issues. Not much though. And that's only guesswork. I don't really know what he'll do. He could theoretically be alot like Obama on economics, or he could actually move towards the right significantly. I'm guessing closer to Obama than to Reagan, but time will tell.
Neither candidate is anywhere resembling "Non-Interventionist" but Obama is less likely to go to war with Iran. Romney might not, Obama might, but I'm guessing my odds are better at avoiding such a war with Obama, and that is a pretty big issue for me (I do NOT want to be drafted into a war, nor do I want to see several times as many people killed as Afghanistan/Iraq.) So Obama gets a slight edge on foreign issues, for me. Not much, but slight.
Neither candidate is particularly good on surveilance. Both are in favor of increasing surveilance and decreasing privacy. But at least Obama got rid of SOME of the Patriot Act. Romney would probably favor the whole thing. So slight, VERY slight, edge Obama (Both candidates are full of crap here even more than the first two.)
Abortion, neither candidate is sincerely pro-life so its a wash on this issue. The only thing Romney might do better, in real life (Not based on what he says) is be more against later-term abortions, but I don't suspect the issue to come up again, so its a wash.
So ultimately, its pretty much a wash anyway. I prefer Obama over Romney for three reasons...
1. He's only got two terms, and he's already served one. So that's four more years. I don't expect a good candidate from either party, but I would think the GOP is marginally more likely for a libertarian-leaning person such as myself. Romney most likely loses us that chance in '16.
2. Obama is predictable. Romney is not
3. Obama will probably have the House and Senate opposing everything he does. Sure, he'll use executive orders, but that will only drag him so far. Romney may well have the entire government united behind him, and that's a scary thought.
Note: this doesn't mean that I like Obama, at all. I can't vote this year, but if I could, it would be third party. But if I had to pick one of the two, four is less than eight, so that's it.
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For Romney's policies to work, trickle down economics has to actually work. Since it has never worked, its quite stupid to bet that they'll start working now.
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So what's the difference between a refuge from Cuba and a refugee fleeing the drug war in Mexico?
Oh right, commies.
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Nuh uh, they just tookerjerbs!
Not too mention that without 'illegal immigrants' a lot of economies would be direly short of labour.
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The Republicans aren't going to do anything about illegal immigration anyhow.
I say this with ironclad certainty. Nobody actually thinks we are going to reverse the flow of Mexicans into America, and I'm not even sure we need to. "Self deport," lol, whatever. Not even Romney believes it.
Mexican immigrates illegally, buys stuff. People have to sell him goods and services, so he can actually add to the economy.
The real reason the Republicans fear immigrants is that they aren't so keen on voting for the Know Nothing GOP anymore.
I say this with ironclad certainty. Nobody actually thinks we are going to reverse the flow of Mexicans into America, and I'm not even sure we need to. "Self deport," lol, whatever. Not even Romney believes it.
Mexican immigrates illegally, buys stuff. People have to sell him goods and services, so he can actually add to the economy.
The real reason the Republicans fear immigrants is that they aren't so keen on voting for the Know Nothing GOP anymore.
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Who is going to post up the drinking game on Obama for the debate?
Words and phrases:
"Bush"
"the policies that got us in this mess to start with"
"created jobs"
"invest"
"schools"
"teachers"
"fireman and police officers"
"education, education, education"
"invest"
"make no mistake"
"worst economic crises in history"
"fair"
wait, I think everything that comes out of his mouth is reason to get blind drunk so I guess this idea is pretty bad
Words and phrases:
"Bush"
"the policies that got us in this mess to start with"
"created jobs"
"invest"
"schools"
"teachers"
"fireman and police officers"
"education, education, education"
"invest"
"make no mistake"
"worst economic crises in history"
"fair"
wait, I think everything that comes out of his mouth is reason to get blind drunk so I guess this idea is pretty bad
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Hey, somebody has to mention the poor guy. The Republicans sure won't
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I reviewed these two guys again and can confidently report that there is no chance the American people will elect either of them.
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Eh, pretty sure you're exactly 100% wrong there old buddy. I am 100% confident that either Romney or Obama will be elected in 2012.
