Huayna Capac357
Deity
Ron Paul is just as crazy, maybe crazier, as any of these guys, just in different ways.
The Republican Party is a joke right now.
The Republican Party is a joke right now.
Ron Paul wins conservative straw poll
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MeteorPunch
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I'm surprised he's even allowed in their party - but if it helps him get elected, great.
quoted for truth. Pretty much word for word. I would be much less annoyed with him winning Republican primaries to say the least...though that's also never going to happen, he's too old, and too far from the party base/other major powers in the party. But I don't know who else is popular now, Huckabee/Romney haven't been on people's minds or other newcomers...and I don't want Palin nominated either even though that would like assure Obama's reelection, but it would also continue to destroy all trust I have in my countrymen. So overall Paul in the lead
Berzerker
Deity
Paul's 31% includes the small government, anti-war part of the right wing. The rest of the party is big government and pro war, so Paul wont be winning any nomination - how'd he do in the last primary run? Lousy. Frankly he's not good enough as a speaker. But stupid? 
West 36
Can count up to 4
It'd be cool if he won. His actions instead of his words would then be discreditable.
Bast
Protector of Cats
Tax Resistant, anti-government spending (including social programs).
Paul fanboys only usually look at how the anti-war side of things. He's as CON as they come. The Barry Goldwater type.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Paul is actually more sensible than anyone else in the party right now.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Congratulations, you just convinced me to vote for Ron Paul.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
I knew you secretly had it in for America's status as the most powerful country in the world.
IAM
Emperor
It all comes down to the economy. If it's about the same or better then Obama will be reelected. If it grows considerably worse then someone like Ron Paul or Sarah Palin have a shoot. Because will be percieved as outsiders with a new voice and different strategy for creating jobs. Maybe Romney would be the only insider that would be competent enough in fiscal matters to win. Or who knows maybe Forbes will take a shoot again but honestly he doesn't have the looks to be president. He won't win a majority no matter what the state of the nation.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I cant view Ron Paul the same way since I saw Bruno try to have sex with him.
Straw polls are kind of meaningless. Didn't Huckabluster win his share of straw polls leading into primary season?
IAM
Emperor
In some cases they are meaningless. Particularly about things that are so extremely likely anyway: like will Obama be the 2012 Dem nominee? But I was just a bit surprised at how far ahead Ron got in a Republican forum. I think Palin got like 8% or something like that.
sonorakitch
Overseas hunter
Yea, according to you Cutlass. However, those who really know what happened (Gorby in particular) credit Reagan's efforts immensely.
Surely you didnt' occupy a position of knowledge on the issue...did you? Perhaps in the State Department....or MI6?
Yea, according to you Cutlass. However, those who really know what happened (Gorby in particular) credit Reagan's efforts immensely.
Surely you didnt' occupy a position of knowledge on the issue...did you? Perhaps in the State Department....or MI6?
And yet before Reagan took office the Soviet economy was essentially at a standstill. Before Reagan took office the Soviet Union could no longer feed all of its population. Before Reagan took office the Soviet Union was falling further and further behind in new technology. Before Reagan took office the Soviet Union the collapse of the health system was already bad enough to have a demographic impact on the nation.
sonorakitch
Overseas hunter
Ah, you would do well to read some good books on the issue instead of blogs or editorials from slate. In fact, it was Gorby who wanted to demilitarize the Soviet economy and free up funds to fix the big mess. Reagan helped him immensely in doing that, while confronting Soviet foreign policy head-on. Make no mistake: Gorby was a big part. And the Pope. And so was Reagan. And so says Gorby.
I still remember the left wing moonbat response to the Brandenburg Gate speech. "Reagan is destabilizing the globe!". "Reagan is p r o v o k i n g them!" Little did they know....
Of course, what you say is true in regards to the Soviet machine falling apart. The Soviet machine had been falling apart for decades, and food shortages were very common...even in the 1950's. You've certainly heard of that whole Stalin thing? Glad you recognize the technological gap between the Soviets and the USA....certainly most identifiable in the defense industries. And while the left wingers were screaming at the military build-up in the 80's, it did much to reduce the Politburo's confidence in not just national defense...but in the "great Soviet technological machine" as well.
To say that Carter (and Mondale) somehow more successfully confronted (and beaten) communism is so ridiculous on so many levels that it really buries anything else you have to say on the issue in slimy porta-john juice.
We've taken this merry-go-round before. You're still a good guy Cutlass...just misguided!
~Chris
I've never read a blog or Slate on the issue. I just happened to have been around at the time. Gorby said as early as `86 that the USSR had badly failed 2 Five Year Plans. The Soviets thought Star Wars was a joke. Gorby wanted to reform the economy because it was done for. But you cannot trace a single part of the Soviet economy being done for to an action by Reagan, or a reaction in the Soviet Union to an action by Reagan. In fact, no one has ever believably pointed to anything.
Reagan's one contribution is the one that Reagan fanboiz don't talk about. And that was when Reagan say down with Gorby and negotiated arms control treaties. These days wingnuts would accuse him of appeasement for that. But it was the only action he took that mattered. Because it disarmed the Soviet hardliners and gave Gorby more freedom to act.
Reagan's one contribution is the one that Reagan fanboiz don't talk about. And that was when Reagan say down with Gorby and negotiated arms control treaties. These days wingnuts would accuse him of appeasement for that. But it was the only action he took that mattered. Because it disarmed the Soviet hardliners and gave Gorby more freedom to act.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
And yet you want us to do what they did.
Yeah, Single Payer health-care is going to go through Congress any day now...
ParkCungHee
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It always seems that the wacko is always the most reasonable person in any party. The same rule applies to politics as it does literature: Only the Madman is telling the truth.
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