You were full of it before the war, you were full of it during the first week of it and you are doubly full of it now.
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[RD] Russia invades Ukraine V: The Turning Tide
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Don't you worry, the Danish Government is already in talks regarding procurement of new artillery pieces to replace those being shipped to Ukraine. So calm yourself; we will have plenty of firepower in place, should a stray Russian regiment mistake our territory for Ukraine.
I'll refrain from commenting on the rest of your anti-NATO rant.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Adequate summary of all your delirium.
If you ever want to fix this, it starts by curing your conspiracy theory mindset and actually looking at the world rather than just twisting everything to shoehorn your anti-West obsession in.
Verbose
Deity
You might want to spell out what you mean by that.
Principally because the Russian government adopted a maximalist interpretation of what Minsk meant, and I think we can assume you are following Moscow in this, and is effectively saying "Do whatever Putin wanted" here.
This wasn't acceptable to anyone else, beginning with the Ukranians, since it effectively meant surrender to Moscow.
So, kindly explain in what way you are still not just advocating surrender? Unless that is precisely what you are of course.
Because given what the Russian demands were re NATO, not Ukraine, in the run-up to this war, there would have been no negotiations as such. That wasn't what Russia was demanding. Negotiations were in fact ongoing – but that wasn't what the Russian government wanted, once it had declared its demands must be met, or else there would be a "military technical solution".
So war, or surrender, no negotiations. How do you propose anything you are suggesting would have changed that?
EnglishEdward
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I can only say that your definition of "involved" is different from mine.
Consider:
(1) NATO freezes Russian state assets.
(2) NATO freezes Russian citizens' (the oligarchs) assets.
(3) NATO finances Ukraine
(4) NATO provides long distance artillery to Ukraine.
(5) NATO trains Ukraine soldiers on how to use that artillery.
(6) NATO provides the rockets/shells whatever for that artillery.
(7) NATO delivers that artillery and the munitions to Ukraine.
(8) NATO provides intelligence (e.g. satellite) information on the location of Russian military assets.
(9) Ukrainian army presumably discusses targeting strategy with NATO advisers.
(10) Ukrainian army uses NATO run (e.g. GPS) systems to target Russian assets.
(11) Ukrainian army actually fires the artillery.
(12) NATO feeds back intelligence (e.g. satellite) of success of artillery fire.
How is NATO not involved ?
The only action that isn't NATO is (11).
Snowygerry
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Indiviual (nations) do most those things, for example, artillery sold by the Belgian army to a private contractor was bought by the British government and delivered to Ukraine, NATO is not involved in that, just the market working as designed
mil.in.ua
Britain redeemed Belgian M109 ACSs from a private company for Ukraine
The United Kingdom redeemed Belgian M109 self-propelled howitzers from a private arms company for Ukraine
mil.in.ua
NATO has really expended a lot last year.
It's quite easy to see if NATO is involved. Look at the list of donor countries, and then decide in your head what type of arbitrary overlap would be considered involvement.
In other parts of our life, we are quite capable of discerning collusion between powerful entities.
In other parts of our life, we are quite capable of discerning collusion between powerful entities.
That could be done with a similar list and then looking at the donors.
Canada is an ungenerous country, so our support for Ukraine pops out. Since we have diverse motives, I'm happy to think of it as us acting in a NATO fashion or a Western fashion.
Canada is an ungenerous country, so our support for Ukraine pops out. Since we have diverse motives, I'm happy to think of it as us acting in a NATO fashion or a Western fashion.
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Nobody doubts the mighty Denmark's ability to resist invasions, for many hours.
That's why NATO was created, to prevent such threats.
And we know why NATO is still needed today.
To bad she will die disappointed. The days of big scary Russia are gone thanks to Putin.
Marla_Singer
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Zardnaar
Deity
Afghanistan was justified imho Iraq no.
Moderator Action: We do not need to go there. Back to Russia Ukraine News please.
Deadly and disposable: Wagner’s brutal tactics in Ukraine revealed by intelligence report
By Tim Lister, Frederik Pleitgen, and Victoria Butenko, CNNUpdated 9:31 PM EST, Mon January 23, 2023
KyivCNN —
Wagner Group fighters have become the disposable infantry of the Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine, but a Ukrainian military intelligence document obtained by CNN sets out how effective they have been around the city of Bakhmut – and how difficult they are to fight against.
Wagner is a private military contractor run by oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, who has been highly visible on the frontlines in recent weeks – and always quick to claim credit for Russian advances. Wagner fighters have been heavily involved in taking Soledar, a few miles northeast of Bakhmut, and areas around the town.
The Ukrainian report – dated December 2022 – concludes that Wagner represents a unique threat at close quarters, even while suffering extraordinary casualties. “The deaths of thousands of Wagner soldiers do not matter to Russian society,” the report asserts. “Assault groups do not withdraw without a command… Unauthorized withdrawal of a team or without being wounded is punishable by execution on the spot.”
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Deadly and disposable: Wagner's brutal tactics in Ukraine revealed by intelligence report | CNN
Wagner Group fighters have become the disposable infantry of the Russian offensive in eastern Ukraine, but a Ukrainian military intelligence document obtained by CNN sets out how effective they have been around the city of Bakhmut -- and how difficult they are to fight against.
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