Russia Invades Ukraine

[red_elk]

@Gelion, you are wasting your time, won't be understood here.
You also likely didn't see posts deleted from this thread by mods couple of days ago.

 

[Gelion]

You should check number of messages and date of join first
In Czech forums are now Russian bots telling people to surrender, here are real people. Or at least they mimicking for this moment for 20 years

EDIT: I've re-read your post and yes, checking the join date is not a bad idea.

@Gelion, you are wasting your time, won't be understood here.
You also likely didn't see posts deleted from this thread by mods couple of days ago.

No, but I think I've said what I wanted to say anyway. Anything else is just using up electricity. Talking here made me feel a little bit better so at least I could thank you all for that.

 

[soundjata]

In the last thread, you were defending Russia's actions in 2014. Could you please elaborate on how this time it's "not good at all"?

Looking for substance in the word "good"
......
no substance
hollow concept
.....
which can be taught to a monkey oO

 

[Sarin]

EDIT: I've re-read your post and yes, checking the join date is not a bad idea.


No, but I think I've said what I wanted to say anyway. Anything else is just using up electricity. Talking here made me feel a little bit better so at least I could thank you all for that.

Same account doesn't have to be same person. Especially these days. But yeah, those last posts do make me think I haven't given you enough benefit of the doubt.

 

[João III]

The Russian rouble has nose-dived nearly 20% - plunging to a new record low versus the US dollar.

 

[Zardnaar]

The Russian rouble has nose-dived nearly 20% - plunging to a new record low versus the US dollar.

Not even Monday yet.

 

[Sarin]

Not even Monday yet.

In some places it is.

 

[Zardnaar]

In some places it is.

Well it is here.

But when the big markets reopen the rubble is expected to drop more.

 

[Sarin]

Well it is here.

But when the big markets reopen the rubble is expected to drop more.

From ruble to rubble, I guess.

 

[Akka]

@Gelion, you are wasting your time, won't be understood here.
You also likely didn't see posts deleted from this thread by mods couple of days ago.

Stop playing the misunderstood poor guy. I was there in 2014, I saw you following the perfect propaganda guideline, defending every absurdity coming from Russia long before there were any "oppression in Donbass" pretext that you hide now behind. I remember you doing the exact same dance then than the one we saw a few days ago "lol Russia won't intervene that's ridiculous", "stop repeating propaganda it's not Russian soldiers it's just Ukrainians who want to join Russia", "Russia obviously sent soldiers to protect people", "Crimea was never really part of Ukraine anyway".

You've been playing this game long before the pretext you use today was even imagined.
Which is a shame, because you're a pretty interesting poster when you're not in full propaganda mode.

 

[Lexicus]

Stop playing the misunderstood poor guy. I was there in 2014, I saw you following the perfect propaganda guideline, defending every absurdity coming from Russia long before there were any "oppression in Donbass" pretext that you hide now behind. I remember you doing the exact same dance then than the one we saw a few days ago "lol Russia won't intervene that's ridiculous", "stop repeating propaganda it's not Russian soldiers it's just Ukrainians who want to join Russia", "Russia obviously sent soldiers to protect people", "Crimea was never really part of Ukraine anyway".

You've been playing this game long before the pretext you use today was even imagined.
Which is a shame, because you're a pretty interesting poster when you're not in full propaganda mode.

I too find the apparent gaslighting rather amusing, but in fairness it might not be surprising that Russian posters would be reticent about calling their government a gang of criminals.

 

[Gelion]

Stop playing the misunderstood poor guy. I was there in 2014, I saw you following the perfect propaganda guideline, defending every absurdity coming from Russia long before there were any "oppression in Donbass" pretext that you hide now behind. I remember you doing the exact same dance then than the one we saw a few days ago "lol Russia won't intervene that's ridiculous", "stop repeating propaganda it's not Russian soldiers it's just Ukrainians who want to join Russia", "Russia obviously sent soldiers to protect people", "Crimea was never really part of Ukraine anyway".

You've been playing this game long before the pretext you use today was even imagined.
Which is a shame, because you're a pretty interesting poster when you're not in full propaganda mode.

Akka, I'm really not interested in finding out who did what I need a good nights sleep and maybe a good breakfast. Take care

 

[João III]

Stop playing the misunderstood poor guy.

But that's Putin's whole message, isn't it? Russia is the victim in all of this?

 

[The_J]

Stop playing the misunderstood poor guy. I was there in 2014, I saw you following the perfect propaganda guideline, defending every absurdity coming from Russia long before there were any "oppression in Donbass" pretext that you hide now behind. I remember you doing the exact same dance then than the one we saw a few days ago "lol Russia won't intervene that's ridiculous", "stop repeating propaganda it's not Russian soldiers it's just Ukrainians who want to join Russia", "Russia obviously sent soldiers to protect people", "Crimea was never really part of Ukraine anyway".

You've been playing this game long before the pretext you use today was even imagined.
Which is a shame, because you're a pretty interesting poster when you're not in full propaganda mode.

I too find the apparent gaslighting rather amusing, but in fairness it might not be surprising that Russian posters would be reticent about calling their government a gang of criminals.

Moderator Action: Everyone will now stop accusing others of being part of a propaganda apparatus, or anything similar.
Views differ over the world. Please accept that.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

You criticize your opponent for "propaganda" and immediately offer other propaganda instead of arguments, substituting concepts. "Sleight of hand, and no cheating." It is only worth declaring your wife already "killed", and immediately the world's support is on your side.

No one has "killed" his wife so far. There is nothing shameful to sleep with at least 10, at least 100 men. They don't get killed for it. The wife put a knife to the children's throats and prepared to kill them. Is it not the legal right of a father to use self-defense and stop a crazy wife? I don't know how this war will really end. But the declared goal is to wrest the knife from the hands of the crazy wife.

That sounds awfully like one of those "Bowling Green massacre" arguments where some fake news are drummed up to justify whatever actions. It's done before we know the drill.

What's undeniable is that Putin has explicitly stated his intent to annex all of Ukraine and considers it a rightful part of Russia. It's not even about whatever liberation excuses. It's about annexation. He's not just trying to take in the Donbass, he wants everything.

Let me ask you this - do you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the massacre of the Ukrainian citizens? Yes or no?
Moderator Action: Hyperbole like this is inappropriate in such a heated situation. The_J

 

[Zardnaar]

Any pro Russian poster want to contrast Zelensky with Putin. Putin's released a couple of videos from his bunker, Zelensky is rallying his people.

Putin's shutting down alternative sources on the war and arresting protesters.

 

[Lexicus]

Moderator Action: Everyone will now stop accusing others of being part of a propaganda apparatus, or anything similar.
Views differ over the world. Please accept that.

I don't understand why my post has been quoted here. I did not accuse anyone of being part of a propaganda apparatus or anything similar. Rather the opposite: I was simply saying that given what has happened to the anti-war protesters in Russia it would not be surprising that Russian posters (on any website, not only here) would be reluctant to state their true feelings about the Russian operation, assuming those feelings are negative.

Moderator Action: Reminder: Such questions should go via PM, not here.

I will answer here only once. I understand perfectly well that Russia is now a very, very, very bad guy for the whole world. Therefore, any word spoken in support of Russia's actions will be immediately declared Russian propaganda. In my country, this situation is very difficult to perceive. People are really shocked. I don't see the point in wasting time on a discussion in which I'm just another bad guy that everyone hates.

Russia's position on this issue is as follows. The situation in the Donbass absolutely repeated the Croatian attack on the Serbian Krajina in 1995 (Operation Storm). All the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian army were concentrated around the republics. Ukraine purchased offensive weapons (Javelins and Bayraktars). The blow could have been struck at any moment. Russia had a choice to wait for Ukraine to attack first (as in 2008 in Georgia, when Tskhinvali was shelled by the Georgian Grad system). Or deliver a preemptive strike. Putin chose the second option. And I, and probably the majority of Russians, condemn him for this. For the lack of a formal reason.

But the reasons for "drawing a knife from hands a crazy wife" are obvious to us, and we consider them fair.

If you don't wish to be perceived as "a bad guy" then your out is to stop regurgitating the excuses of your government which have been revealed to everyone else in the world as obvious lies. I say this, again, as someone who had considerable sympathy (at least by the standards of this website) for "the Russian position on this issue" on Tuesday.

I also find your attempts at equivocation a bit strange. It sounds like you are saying what you really don't like is not the attack on Ukraine as such, but the fact that Putin did a relatively bad job of faking a justification for the attack.

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't understand why my post has been quoted here. I did not accuse anyone of being part of a propaganda apparatus or anything similar. Rather the opposite: I was simply saying that given what has happened to the anti-war protesters in Russia it would not be surprising that Russian posters (on any website, not only here) would be reluctant to state their true feelings about the Russian operation, assuming those feelings are negative.



If you don't wish to be perceived as "a bad guy" then your out is to stop regurgitating the excuses of your government which have been revealed to everyone else in the world as obvious lies. I say this, again, as someone who had considerable sympathy (at least by the standards of this website) for "the Russian position on this issue" on Tuesday.

I also find your attempts at equivocation a bit strange. It sounds like you are saying what you really don't like is not the attack on Ukraine as such, but the fact that Putin did a relatively bad job of faking a justification for the attack.

After the Americans said to expect it. And the invasion.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Yes, your views are not understood here. You will find like-minded in /r/conspiracy or /r/russia, I suppose.

You don't "disagree", you are telling me what my "true feelings" are.
Oh I don't?
I'm fine with Ukrainians being slaughtered?
So I made a mistake trying to explain it to you, only to be blamed in dishonesty. Good riddance.

You were given plenty of opportunities to explain clearly your stance. Instead, you gave a lot of non-answers and kept pointing an accusing finger towards Ukraine. And then you said you'd rather not share your true opinion on the matter.

In the interest of giving you a fair chance to explain yourself, answer the following:
1. Do you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Yes or no
2. Do you support the Russian justification of the invasion of Ukraine? Yes or no
3. Do you feel the attacks on Ukrainian cities are justified? Yes or no

If you don't want to make clear, it's fine. We can treat that as "yes" to all.

Moderator Action: Let's not make this personal, okay?

 

[Lexicus]

Any pro Russian poster want to contrast Zelensky with Putin. Putin's released a couple of videos from his bunker, Zelensky is rallying his people.

Zelensky's quite impressed me, I have to admit. Say what you want about the man but he's got some courage, and he knows how to do a good Facebook Live video.