Santorum or Khameini? Can you tell the difference?

[kramerfan86]

It is our business since he is advertising it so heavily to get himself elected. He turned his religion into an issue. He wants it to be viewed as a positive, but I hardly see why it isnt fair game to negatively view it once he tosses it out there.

 

[Traitorfish]

No, in Fascist theory the State (ideally) proceeds organically from society. They really weren't fans of the state in and of itself. That would have created all kinds of ideological problems vis a vis the Risorgimento. Heck, if they valued the state that much, they wouldn't have threatened it with civil war!

The key difference between Fascist and liberal thought is that they don't conceive of society as merely a sum total of a large number of individuals. It's a idealist conception of society as existing without individuals. Italians don't make Italy, Italy makes Italians.

From there, the purpose of the state is to embody the will of this nation, a kind of General Will. They certainly accounted for states not embodying this General Will.

Ah, right. I suppose I should make a distinction between "society" and "civil society" specifically, only the latter being seen a proceeding from "political society" (to put it, ironically enough, in Gramscian terms)- is that any closer to the mark? (Or perhaps I'm just working from bad sources? )

 

[caketastydelish]

If you pick and choose phrases like that, I suppose most people, completely out of context, can be prepared to someone else.

Let me Godwin this...
You could compare the best statements by Hitler to the worst statements by Obama or Reagan, and run the same quiz.

Bamm!

Unless someone manages to actually do that, I fail to believe it.

These quotes were not bland and non political such as "the weather outside was nice today" or "I'm proud of my daughter for learning to play an instrument."

The examples the OP gave are very much one sided political quotes, and these are sides that Obama does not stand for. As for Reagan I'm not really sure. If you can quote Obama out of context and make him seem like any of the quotes given by the OP, I would be impressed.

edit: oh, you're saying Obama could be compared to HITLER if taken out of context... that's probably even a father shot than Khomanei. I'm no Obama fanboy, but pretty much nothing about Obama and Hitler are similar in a political sense, other than they are "good speakers".

 

[kochman]

The problem is, anything Obama said recently that would be deemed considerable for such a comparison is already well known by the masses in the days of 24 hours news outlets spinning things out of context.

 

[JollyRoger]

Can you explain how Santorum has been taken out of context here? What quotes would have a different meaning if we read the entire context?

 

[Arakhor]

Yeah, but Santorum doesn't want to have people killed for disagreeing with him.

You say that as if it's unusual, which rather makes me think it's one of Santorum's only saving graces.

 

[caketastydelish]

The problem is, anything Obama said recently that would be deemed considerable for such a comparison is already well known by the masses in the days of 24 hours news outlets spinning things out of context.

Anything Santorum says will be well known by the masses within 24 hours news outlets "spinning things out of context".

And it has.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well, I'm off the opinion we should be fair to the man. In the other thread people tried to put Santorum's remarks into context and only made it worse for the man.

So, lets contextualise these.
1. "We were put on this Earth as creatures of God to have dominion over the Earth."
4. "The radical feminists succeeded in undermining the traditional family and convincing women that professional accomplishments are the key to happiness."
5. "This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war. This is a spiritual war."
7. "Go back and read what the sirens did once you arrived on that island.… They devour you. They destroy you. They consume you."

I would really love to know the context of 7. In itself it just sits there drooling on itself.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Well personally , I could totally rock some 7

 

[say1988]

Obama is the sirens and his second term is the island, I believe.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Link has clickable links so I just had to put in a little effort.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/rick-santorum-campaign-speech-doomsday_n_1252154.html

"Go back and read what the sirens did once you arrived on that island," Santorum warned students at Colorado Christian University this week, invoking mythology. "They devour you. They destroy you. They consume you."

"Ladies and gentleman we cannot listen to the siren song," he added. "We cannot listen to President Obama and we can't listen to those in our party who want to be just a little bit less than what the Democrats and the left is doing to our country."

Bloody hell!


Link to video.

 

[kochman]

Can you explain how Santorum has been taken out of context here? What quotes would have a different meaning if we read the entire context?

By definition, most single line quotes are out of context... unless he just went up to the podium, made some statement and said, "that is all" (then walks away happy with himself).

Anything Santorum says will be well known by the masses within 24 hours news outlets "spinning things out of context".

And it has.

Anything he says NOW, yes, they are still going through the archives of stupid things he has said over his long career, and since there are so many things, you can't bring it all out at once... you know?
We've had years of national scrutiny on Obama now... most of his more wacky things are out there (my personal favorite was when he talked about how bitter people cling to their guns and religion, something that if paraphrased could easily sound like a potential Hitlerian thing to say).

 

[JollyRoger]

By definition, most single line quotes are out of context... unless he just went up to the podium, made some statement and said, "that is all" (then walks away happy with himself).

To that extent yes. Just demonstrate that the meaning is significantly different in full context in these cases. Often, the meaning of a sentence is pretty much the same in context or isolated.

 

[holy king]

So this is just a statement that all people of faith are extremists?

Why do so many here care what others' spiritual beliefs are?

it's about religious extremists sounding the same be they christian or muslim.

 

[kochman]

it's about religious extremists sounding the same be they christian or muslim.

Athiestic extremist are easily as annoying.

 

[Traitorfish]

Athiestic extremist are easily as annoying.

Is that what you think this is about?

 

[holy king]

Athiestic extremist are easily as annoying.

ok?

5chars.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Athiestic extremist are easily as annoying.

What is atheist extremism? People who really, absopositivelutely disbelief God?

 

[Traitorfish]

What is atheist extremism? People who really, absopositivelutely disbelief God?

People who disbelieve in all gods, as opposed to all gods minus one.

 

[kochman]

What is atheist extremism? People who really, absopositivelutely disbelief God?

No, the ones who consistently go out of their way to attack... the people who freak out about a cross on public land, that is actually a soldier's memorial, etc.
Does anyone really feel like the US government forces them to be Christian?
I don't judge if you don't believe. That's your choice. I do feel some sadness for you, and hope that things will change, but that's well out of my arena.