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Again minorities are failing so they propose to lower the standards. The article points out that its not so much economics levels as minorities are moving out to the suburbs. I think it points more to the lack of care for pushing education in the culture. Its not enough to put you kids in a better school if you're not gonna follow up on that and make sure your kids pass.

My favorite quotes:
"It is a wake-up call to African-Americans in Maryland," said Dunbar Brooks, president of the state school board and former president of the Baltimore County school board. "For many African-Americans, the mere fact that your child attends a suburban school district does not make academic achievement automatic."
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Junior Evan Watson, 15, said students should take more responsibility. He said teachers provided plenty of opportunities to prepare with practice exams, but too many students didn't take them seriously.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ed...06sep06,0,6220406.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout

Spoiler :
By Gina Davis and Liz Bowie | Sun Reporters
September 6, 2007
When Maryland's top school officer proposed that the state back away from its tough high school testing program last week, one reason might have been the troubling performance of some suburban schools.

An alarming pattern of failure is surfacing: Minority students, especially African-Americans, are struggling to pass the exams in the suburban classrooms their families had hoped would provide a better education.


"It is a wake-up call to African-Americans in Maryland," said Dunbar Brooks, president of the state school board and former president of the Baltimore County school board. "For many African-Americans, the mere fact that your child attends a suburban school district does not make academic achievement automatic."

Baltimore City and its suburbs released school-by-school results last week for the Class of 2009 - the first group that must pass the statewide High School Assessments in algebra, English, biology and government to get a diploma.

What they show is that in Baltimore County alone, nearly a third of the system's roughly two dozen high schools had pass rates of 60 percent or less. Also, high schools with predominantly African-American populations, such as Randallstown and Woodlawn, had passing rates mostly below 50 percent.

The results were similar, if not so pronounced, in Anne Arundel County, where some of the most urbanized schools - North County, Annapolis, Glen Burnie and Meade - performed well below the rest of the system.

Educators point to the gap in achievement between African-Americans and whites as one reason for the slump among inner suburban schools - although not the only one.

Until now, the achievement gap in Baltimore County has been masked by county averages. Some of Maryland's highest-performing schools are in the county's largely white and well-to-do northern corridor, including Towson, Dulaney, Carver and Hereford high schools. Those schools, along with the Eastern and Western technical magnets, boost the county averages.

In Carroll, Harford and Howard counties, disparities between the highest- and lowest- performing schools were not so apparent. Most high schools there had passing rates of 80 percent or more.

African-Americans have long been migrating from Baltimore City to county neighborhoods. The number of African-Americans enrolled in county public schools has increased by 21 percent since 2000, and minorities account for almost 50 percent of the school population.

To be sure, Baltimore City's neighborhood high schools reported bleak results this year, with some pass rates lower than 20 percent. On the other hand, the city's perennial high performers, the citywide academic magnets - Baltimore Polytechnic Institute, Western High, the School for the Arts and City College - had pass rates similar to top suburban schools.

A handful of other academic and technical high schools in the city - such as Dunbar High, Merganthaler Voc-Tech and several new specialty high schools - performed as well as or better than some predominantly African-American suburban high schools.

Critics and activists in Baltimore County see the results in some schools, such as ultramodern New Town High in Owings Mills, as grossly out-of-step with area demographics not related to race.

More than 90.5 percent of area residents have earned a high school diploma and 42.8 percent have at least a bachelor's degree, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, and median household income is $53,000.

"It's inexcusable," said Ella White Campbell, a retired city educator and executive director of the Liberty Road Community Council. "You can't say it's income that's the problem. And education levels are very high. ... The disconnect is in the fact that you have an educated community that has not realized kids are not getting the basics."

New Town High, which opened in 2003, has about 1,000 students, 92 percent of whom are African-American.

Walking the hallways yesterday at New Town High, Principal Barbara Cheswick said she knows the school's high school assessment results don't paint a pretty picture. But her staff is working on the problem.

"It's about establishing expectations and communicating those to parents, teachers and students," said Cheswick, in her second year at the helm of the four-year-old school. "As a principal, I have high expectations of students, regardless of their background."

Alexandria Foy, a 16-year-old junior from Owings Mills, said she passed all but the English exam, missing by only two points. To help her pass it the next time around, the school has enrolled her in a "coach class."

Junior Evan Watson, 15, said students should take more responsibility. He said teachers provided plenty of opportunities to prepare with practice exams, but too many students didn't take them seriously.



Discuss the state of education. Or not.
 
This problem probably extends beyond the classroom. Students who as a group (whatever the group identity is, e.g. cultural, religious etc.) fail to perform academically are obviously part of a group culture that doesn't value education.

I have a hard time thinking that modifying school tests will help improve the academic performance of members in such groups. On the other hand I don't pretend to have any ideas on how to modify the cultural norms of people so that they start valuing education.. Maybe it's the fault of contemporary music?:p
 
Discuss the state of education. Or not.

K-12 is a joke. The teachers for the most part are indifferent to the student's needs and abilities. Back in the day, we never were forced to read books or get any culture. We were pushed to do well on the standardized tests for the school to get a bigger piece of the funding pie.
 
K-12 is a joke. The teachers for the most part are indifferent to the student's needs and abilities. Back in the day, we never were forced to read books or get any culture. We were pushed to do well on the standardized tests for the school to get a bigger piece of the funding pie.
Isn't that what they're doing now? I know that's how it is here in Virginia, and people are getting sick of it, because the kids aren't actually learning things, they're just learning how to do well on the tests.
 
Isn't that what they're doing now? I know that's how it is here in Virginia, and people are getting sick of it, because the kids aren't actually learning things, they're just learning how to do well on the tests.

The tests aren't the problem its how the schools deal with them. Instead of focusing on the tests they should teach the curriculum. If they do that the kids will pass the tests.
 
Isn't that what they're doing now? I know that's how it is here in Virginia, and people are getting sick of it, because the kids aren't actually learning things, they're just learning how to do well on the tests.

Yes, it went to the extent of our teachers telling us which answers to choose.
 
The tests aren't the problem its how the schools deal with them. Instead of focusing on the tests they should teach the curriculum. If they do that the kids will pass the tests.
Exactly. I did pretty well on standardized tests, but that was because I knew the material. (And I was homeschooled, incidentally) Teaching them how to ace a test is useless if they don't understand how to practically use what they're taught.

Yes, it went to the extent of our teachers telling us which answers to choose.
That's....terrible.
 
i went to a private catholic grade school. we learned stuff, took the standardized tests, then went on with our regular work.

public schools in my area got a week of their teachers telling them what was going to be on the tests and whatnot.

my school still did better tho :D
 
That's....terrible.
And that's all I bloody got out of my private tutoring course on the SATs! Stupid Kaplan.
 
I have a friend that goes to a public high school in Maryland - in Annandale, I think. Apparently they do hi-fives in math class when they get the problem right.
 
I have a friend that goes to a public high school in Maryland - in Annandale, I think. Apparently they do hi-fives in math class when they get the problem right.

Must be pretty stupid students, then.
 
education is what you make of it. hit the books, and you do well. neglect, and you do poorly.
 
Government-controlled education is a joke and should be abolished.
 
The consumer.

The students? Parents? Hmm. Doesn't that mean crummy schooling for the kids of poor parents and good schooling for kids of rich parents?

Surely you're not going to argue that any particular kid is entitled to better education than another?
 
Surely you're not going to argue that any particular kid is entitled to better education than another?

Nope.Just that as of right now, there is little to no competition in the public schooling system, which doesn't exactly work as a great motivating tool.
 
The students? Parents? Hmm. Doesn't that mean crummy schooling for the kids of poor parents and good schooling for kids of rich parents?

Surely you're not going to argue that any particular kid is entitled to better education than another?

I'm pretty sure the proposed plan uses government-paid vouchers.

Edit: Typo fix'd.
 
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