Why should you not know? You obviously had enough information to assume it's the minorities bringing our scores down. Speaking of which, this study would be interesting to see that shows minorities score lower with no relation to income, school district, etc.
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Why should you not know? You obviously had enough information to assume it's the minorities bringing our scores down. Speaking of which, this study would be interesting to see that shows minorities score lower with no relation to income, school district, etc.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I have no idea whether there is any relation to income or whatever. I have never stated any such thing. Why are you so insistent on pressing that issue? What does it matter why they score lower? The fact is that they do score lower and that they absolutely do bring down the average score for the country.
Masquerouge
Deity
Well if you're trying to fix the problem, you better know why they score lower in the first place.
I hear Virginia's school systems are crap as far as teaching entirely for the SOLs or whatever, as Elrohir already said.
For Maryland: Anne Arundel County, and some others have the best schools in their offering of AP/IB courses. On the Eastern Shore, we have some of the crappiest schools and crappiest advanced level programs, and crappy teachers. Baltimore gets all the money for their schools, they still suck, and so clearly something needs to be done. I'd suggest something, but I've never seen the school situation over there.
An entire class of AP Chemistry students getting 1s except for one person who got a 2 is completely unacceptable, and a direct reflection on the teacher.
Schools teach kids to memorize material for tests and not actually learn it. Reading textbooks in highschool should be required.
For Maryland: Anne Arundel County, and some others have the best schools in their offering of AP/IB courses. On the Eastern Shore, we have some of the crappiest schools and crappiest advanced level programs, and crappy teachers. Baltimore gets all the money for their schools, they still suck, and so clearly something needs to be done. I'd suggest something, but I've never seen the school situation over there.
An entire class of AP Chemistry students getting 1s except for one person who got a 2 is completely unacceptable, and a direct reflection on the teacher.
Schools teach kids to memorize material for tests and not actually learn it. Reading textbooks in highschool should be required.
Some of the high schools are pretty good, actually - I think North Stafford and Colonial Forge both ranked in the top 1000 (Or maybe it was 100) high schools in the nation. It's primarily the elementary and middle schools that focus on the SOLs, as far as I can tell. (Although I'm sure the high schools do as well, its just that some of them seem to be succeeding despite the tendency to just focus on the SOLS)
Much better than Hawaii public schools, though.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I am certainly not trying to fix the problem.
So, you're admitting you don't know anything about the subject at all, and would instead like to blame the minorities for the lower scores, and when I ask for a link, you don't provide one, and instead just say "This is a fact." I'm intent on pressing the issue because I want to know if you're a flat-out racist or do you want to look further into the issue and see if wealth and location has anything to do with it? It matters because it's part of the solution. And the poor whites in rural Kansas don't bring down the scores? It's not an issue of race, it's an issue of wealth and location.
I think this is an unfair statement to Virginia. Virginia is essentially 2 mini-states, NOVA (Northern Virginia) and ROVA (Rest of Virginia). NOVA consistently does better than ROVA on testing and scores, and are significantly more richer than the rest of the state. Some of the nation's best public high schools in Virginia are in Arlington County, Fairfax County, and Loundon County, and their test scores show that. But the rest of Virginia puts us down because of their low scores.
skadistic
Caomhanach
As the article in the OP says otherwise you may want to check that.
I don't care what the article says. This is a matter of common sense. Being a minority does not make one more smart or more stupid. And this was Baltimore County, not exactly the most thrilling of public school systems in the country.
skadistic
Caomhanach
So you will shrug off evidence to the contrary just because you don't want to believe it? What about the stats the article was based on, you gonna shrug that off too?
And the study was about Maryland schools not just B-more county.
Remember, test scores don't fully reflect intelligence. They more reflect how much people care about school.
There can certainly be a cultural difference in that regards.
As a caveat, caring about education will have a feedback effect on intelligence.
There can certainly be a cultural difference in that regards.
As a caveat, caring about education will have a feedback effect on intelligence.
That's not evidence, that's one case of this going on. There are minority kids succeeding in private and more upper-class public schools, but you'd rather ignore that. What stats? You and John keep mentioning them, yet I haven't seen one. I saw how African Americans in a poorer county go to school in a middle-class community, and don't do so well. Not surprising.
I only saw Carroll County, Howard County, Baltimore County, and some other county I didn't recognize. No mention of Montgomery, Prince George's, or many other of Maryland's counties.
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
This is true.
In my school, the lower educated people (Whites too) don't really care about the standardized testing because there isn't a grade involved.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I don't have to proven anything to you. I make a statement about statistics that I'd like to see. I never challenged you on anything. I have seen study after study, stat after stat, that says minorities do not compete well with white children. If you can't research it for yourself, then that is your problem.
Fair enough, so its an issue of wealth and location. I'd STILL like to see what the scores would be without minorities included. I don't think that it makes me a racist cause I am interested in what that information would have to say.
So, you don't have a study, fair enough. I mean, if it really was easy, you'd show one, but you don't seem to have one.
Then let's hope you look for one and find it, but it's quite obvious that you were blaming the minorities for our low test scores. If you are truly interested, maybe you should try to find out yourself.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I wouldn't know if it was easy to find one. I never bothered to look, because I don't feel beholden to proving anything to you. My wish is to see how white children score, by themselves. Proving something to you and playing your game does not accomplish that goal.
Once again, I don't owe you anything. You can make all of the claims that you wish about me, but its more wishful thinking on your part. I am not truly interested in why minorities score lower. I am interested in how white kids compare to the rest of the world.
skadistic
Caomhanach
Considering its the Baltimore Sun do you think maybe they focused on those counties they cater to?
Since you want stats.
Maryland
http://www.mdreportcard.org/ImprovementIntroEMH.aspx?AypPV=41|0|99|AAAA|1|000000
Knock your self out.
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