Schools , race , testing.

[Red Door]

One case? Try tens of thousands in one one small section on the country. Do you honestly believe it wont be the same in other large city areas?

Again, are you saying they're not doing as well because they're minorities. This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. It's not because of the color of their skins, it's a bunch of circumstances.

Ignore what?Anomalies to the norm? Even in the better schools they do worse as a group.

No.

Its not surprising because like the article points out it doesn't matter what schools they go to or in what economic setting they do worse as a group.

It's all about location and wealth, it has nothing to do with the color of their skins, it's not a hard concept. Because one is a minority, it does not mean they'll do worse on tests.

Considering its the Baltimore Sun do you think maybe they focused on those counties they cater to?

Yet, you said:

And the study was about Maryland schools not just B-more county.

Since you want stats.
Maryland
http://www.mdreportcard.org/ImprovementIntroEMH.aspx?AypPV=41|0|99|AAAA|1|000000
Knock your self out.

All that says is that African Americans in high school were not profecient in mathematics in 2005, and in middle school in 2006. And in reading for middle school and some high school. This study doesn't take location, wealth, or any other factors into effect.

 

[skadistic]

Again, are you saying they're not doing as well because they're minorities. This is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. It's not because of the color of their skins, it's a bunch of circumstances. I'm not saying its because of the colour of their skin. I'm just saying that those of coloured skin do worse as a group.



No. No what?


It's all about location and wealth, it has nothing to do with the color of their skins, it's not a hard concept. Because one is a minority, it does not mean they'll do worse on tests. Except it doesn't mater what location and economic level blacks do worse as a whole. Just look at the numbers. Not a hard concept now is it. As a whole minorities do worse on testing.



Yet, you said:And the study was on all Maryland schools I even gave a link. So because the Sun didn't use every school in its article its some how wrong?





All that says is that African Americans in high school were not profecient in mathematics in 2005, and in middle school in 2006. And in reading for middle school and some high school. This study doesn't take location, wealth, or any other factors into effect.

There is a whole site to explore and you can break down things by race and county (wealth can be taken from individual schools in counties) if you want. Do your self a favour and poke around in there.

 

[Red Door]

I'm not saying its because of the colour of their skin. I'm just saying that those of coloured skin do worse as a group.

Any reasons for this?

Just look at the numbers. Not a hard concept now is it. As a whole minorities do worse on testing.

And once again, is this because of the color of their skin or the reasons I said? I can see they're doing worse, I look a little deeper than that, I wonder why.

So because the Sun didn't use every school in its article its some how wrong?

No, but it doesn't make it right either. It needs to go deeper.

There is a whole site to explore and you can break down things by race and county (wealth can be taken from individual schools in counties) if you want. Do your self a favour and poke around in there.

I will, should be good reading material.

 

[frob2900]

would the other countries have to take out their minorities too?

In fairness: yes. The UK also has problems with the educational success of its minorities:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/racism/story/0,,1507959,00.html
www.sussex.ac.uk/equalities/documents/why_the_difference-rr552.pdf
http://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/E...x39.aspx?ComponentId=12534&SourcePageId=18133
(and for the whole EU:http://www.aulaintercultural.org/article.php3?id_article=1735)
Except, of course, for the indian & chinese who also perform better than their white counterparts in the UK.

@John HSOG:
While you made a valid observation that there probably is a difference between academic performanice of ethnic minorities, unfortunately this does not hold when claiming that the US would have better education statistics than other countries 'as long as we don't count minorities'.

For that statement to be valid you need to prove that there are indeed larger groups of minorities in the US (than in other countries) that are performing poorly in education and hence pulling the US average down more than other countries.

While this may or may not be true (I haven't looked into the data), it certainly bears checking out. The fairest comparison might be to compile the nationwise academic performance statistics into a form that differentiates among minorities present in each country.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

Must make you feel pretty inferior to watch an Olympic 100 meter dash.

Yes the blacks are superior runners compared to the aryans. We are completely screwed in all forms of endurance tests. The non aryans have also evolved since we split. Yes the asians are as smart as the aryans I have never said anything else.

 

[Trajan12]

Yes the blacks are superior runners compared to the aryans. We are completely screwed in all forms of endurance tests. The non aryans have also evolved since we split. Yes the asians are as smart as the aryans I have never said anything else.

Well I've never really known many people from India or Iran so I wouldn't know that.

 

[aneeshm]

Indians are one of the top-scoring groups - a minority which consistently outscores the majority.

Why the hell should we want easier examinations? A tougher examination actually favours us.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think that's partially due to the way immigration from Far East countries seems to work. We're doing our best to get the cream-of-the-crop!

 

[aneeshm]

Surely you're not going to argue that any particular kid is entitled to better education than another?

Of course I'd never say anything as ridiculous as that.

Instead, I'm saying that no human is entitled to any education at all.

 

[aneeshm]

I find is amazing that in a thread detailing how the coercive school system is failing, people still say that it's the way to go.

 

[skadistic]

I think that's partially due to the way immigration from Far East countries seems to work. We're doing our best to get the cream-of-the-crop!

But we aren't importing smart hard working children from there. Those kids come from a "be your best" culture that is abundant in most parts of Asia and the sub-continent. A number of people talk bad about how the Indians own all the 7-11s but don't go and get one them self. I know a guy who owns 2 7-11s a Duncan Donuts, 3 laundry mats and a ethnic food store. Any one can do it with an education and a will to work. Hard work and learning. Thats a message you don't see being driven into kids heads in America particularly minority kids by way of popular culture. Blacks are told to be rappers and ball players, latinos are told to play base ball. Criminals are held to a higher standard in minority culture then scientists.

 

[Ansar]

Ball Players? I know Blacks => Rappers, but I've never seen the Baseball trend.

 

[skadistic]

Ball Players? I know Blacks => Rappers, but I've never seen the Baseball trend.

Foot ball
Basket ball
base ball

 

[Ansar]

Foot ball
Basket ball
base ball

Oh...

 

[JohnRM]

Well, to be perfectly fair, mostly when you refer to "ball players", you're talking about baseball.

 

[JohnRM]

I find is amazing that in a thread detailing how the coercive school system is failing, people still say that it's the way to go.

You and I, both, brother.

 

[Red Door]

But we aren't importing smart hard working children from there. Those kids come from a "be your best" culture that is abundant in most parts of Asia and the sub-continent. A number of people talk bad about how the Indians own all the 7-11s but don't go and get one them self. I know a guy who owns 2 7-11s a Duncan Donuts, 3 laundry mats and a ethnic food store. Any one can do it with an education and a will to work. Hard work and learning. Thats a message you don't see being driven into kids heads in America particularly minority kids by way of popular culture. Blacks are told to be rappers and ball players, latinos are told to play base ball. Criminals are held to a higher standard in minority culture then scientists.

We both know I don't agree with many statements of yours, but I agree to this fully.

What minorities need is actual heroes and people to look up to, not the trash they get.

 

[aneeshm]

Any reasons for this?

Yes.

"Black Culture."

 

[Red Door]

Yes.

"Black Culture."

Black Culture doesn't tell them to not do well in school. It tells them that they can succeed without school, which is true for some, but only if you can rap or if are athletic. It doesn't say to do bad in school though.

 

[JohnRM]

Black Culture doesn't tell them to not do well in school. It tells them that they can succeed without school, which is true for some, but only if you can rap or if are athletic. It doesn't say to do bad in school though.

It is also true for those with parents who give a crap about their kids, too.