SCOTUS Nomination II: I Like Beer

[AdrienIer]

Oh ok I missed that part. It's officially over then

 

[Sommerswerd]

I thought he went yes even before Murkowski went no.

Correct.

Also... In a brilliant profile of courage... As predicted... Manchin promptly and heroically announces his yes vote right after Collins yes vote made his irrelevant.

TBH I think that Manchin probably told Collins in advance that he was voting yes regardless of what she did, so there was no point in her suffering the political hit for voting no. He literally announced like seconds after she did.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh ok I missed that part. It's officially over then

Yes, but the spinning is just beginning. We should expect the accusers, joined by even more accusers, to go full court press starting tomorrow.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Correct.

Also... In a brilliant profile of courage... As predicted... Manchin promptly and heroically announces his yes vote right after Collins yes vote made his irrelevant.

That's a profile in not stupid. Are you ignoring my question about the Tennessee race?

 

[Sommerswerd]

That's a profile in not stupid. Are you ignoring my question about the Tennessee race?

I'm not disputing that he's a shrewd operator... he's a Democrat that's managed to hold onto a Senate seat in West Virginia afterall.

And I hadn't noticed your Tennessee question when I posted that. In any case my answer is... I live in Massachusetts

Seriously though, I said before I get your point and @AdrienIer 's point too... just on a day like today, him being a Democrat just didn't matter. Maybe it will matter later... we'll see.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm not disputing that he's a shrewd operator... he's a Democrat that's managed to hold onto a Senate seat in West Virginia afterall.

And I hadn't noticed your Tennessee question when I posted that. In any case my answer is... I live in Massachusetts

Seriously though, I said before I get your point and @AdrienIer 's point too... just on a day like today, him being a Democrat just didn't matter. Maybe it will matter later... we'll see.

Today it didn't matter that Corey Booker is a Democrat. That's the problem.

 

[innonimatu]

The Rasmussen poll indicates something similar.
IDK how good the Rasmussen poll is, but I like the distinction in the categories strong approve-strongly disapprove-total approve-total disapprove with the difference between strongly as first indicator.
And I take a glance at it every time there is some burst of media attention.
That difference between strongly approve-disapprove has never been so favorable for Trump since the first two months of his Presidency.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...p_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Tod you all so. My guess is that Feinstein tried to can the thing because she was smart enough to see how badly hatched the plan was, and anticipate how it'd end. But those who planned it wouldn't be denied, thus the leaks. Things will get really interesting if this gets thoroughly investigated. And they may once people start blaming each other for the failure.

 

[El_Machinae]

Or perhaps you honestly believe that Donald Trump getting his "win" is a legitimate reason for Kavanaugh to refuse to support an investigation - to, in effect, debase and entirely de-legitimate the confirmation proceedings and by extension the Court itself?

I never said anything about legitimacy. Republicans intentionally damaged legitimacy of the Supreme Court in 2016 and in 2017. I'm just acknowledging that intentionally delaying can be perceived as a motive.

 

[Sommerswerd]

None of this is relevant anymore. This farce demonstrates that the idea of opposing this Republican regime by parliamentary and legal methods is a pipe dream.

You mentioned Court packing before, which turns the High Court into a mini shadow-Congress.

I'd like to see a movie (or even a short skit) about a 20,000+ member Supreme Court that is evicting the Nationals because they need the stadium to seat all their membership

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Me in 2010: Not having crushing student debt would be nice, I guess?
Me in 2018: bring the revolution and kill the rich and powerful

But watch, the Dems are still gonna get blown out in November. xD

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Susan Collins' speech was one of the most slimy, dishonest, and detestable speeches, one hour of sucking up all the news publicity just so she could continuously attack a victim. My favorite was the party using the two seats behind her, which are currently assigned to male senators, and giving them to two Republican women, to complete the co-opt of MeToo by attempting to use its language while refuting its substance and defending a predator. Classic.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The slow motion coup rolls on. This was just a speed bump in the GOPs plan for one party rule.

 

[onejayhawk]

If anything the week-long delay and pushback has energized the Republican base. This hasn't really seemed to help Democrats.

I agree. They badly overplayed their hand and it could hurt them in November.

It sucks, but out of the Clinton states only 3 have a republican in the senate, the rest being 2 dems. There are just more red states. You could argue that according to the presidential results the dems could target a seat in NC AZ and maybe GA but that's it. The rest of the states are really red, and require either an extraordinary candidate or an unreliable centrist to win seats there, some of which already having one of those.

You do realize that it was set up that way on purpose, correct? The Senate was designed to prevent big states from having the power to dominate smaller states.

Also... In a brilliant profile of courage... As predicted... Manchin promptly and heroically announces his yes vote right after Collins yes vote made his irrelevant.

TBH I think that Manchin probably told Collins in advance that he was voting yes regardless of what she did, so there was no point in her suffering the political hit for voting no. He literally announced like seconds after she did.

Several red-state Senators that are running for re-election will likely vote in favor. Manchin is ahead of the group.

The slow motion coup rolls on. This was just a speed bump in the GOPs plan for one party rule.

That's one perspective. In another, it was a failed coup attempt. The Republicans had the votes and the Democrats cooked up some scandalous lies to circumvent due process. I think that perspective is a much more common perspective than yours.

J

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's one perspective. In another, it was a failed coup attempt. The Republicans had the votes and the Democrats cooked up some scandalous lies to circumvent due process. I think that perspective is a much more common perspective than yours.

J

Among GOP shills I'm sure that it is.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

So it's not a coup if you have a majority in the senate, good to know.

 

[onejayhawk]

So it's not a coup if you have a majority in the senate, good to know.

Not exactly. It's not a coup if you have 51 votes in the Senate, regardless of their source. Hence, the vote saving ACA last year was not a coup.

That said, elections have consequences. A minority party with insufficient votes is one of them.

J

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, Garland plus using the nuclear option means that the 51 is something that would have been recognized as a coup in, say, 2015

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's funny how Collins takes in millions from corporate sponsorship but she brands small time, grassroots donation efforts to support a rival candidate to be 'bribes' and political hostage-taking.

In the end I do not have faith in millenials to turn out and vote in November to rectify this situation, much less 2020. These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

 

[JollyRoger]

Kavanaugh wouldn't have gotten away with his antics before most judges I practice before. Many would have held him I contempt of court.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's funny how Collins takes in millions from corporate sponsorship but she brands small time, grassroots donation efforts to support a rival candidate to be 'bribes' and political hostage-taking.

In the end I do not have faith in millenials to turn out and vote in November to rectify this situation, much less 2020. These events have destroyed what little faith I had in our political process.

My observation is that millenials, by and large, don't understand the political process and that's the source of their lost faith. Not that people other than millenials appear to understand it any better. "I voted for you, so you are supposed to vote exactly the way I want on every single thing and if you don't I'll just stay home next time" seems to be the core element in the strategy of most people. Other than the cynical old white people that reliably support the GOP no matter what they do, of course.