"Slept my way up to the top"

[dusters]

The means are wrong when the ends are wrong.

Sure. i have never said that 2 million euros in a bank can make anyone happy. It didn't make my dad happy for sure.

 

[Wrymouth3]

I don't remember reading anywhere that historians thought Claudius was not a legitimate emperor. Why would they? Based on lineage and his age, he was the logical person no matter how you look at it.

Again, I said certain emperors and empresses without naming any. I was referring to the rulers of the Theodosian line and a few of the emperors of the third century debacle.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Again, I said certain emperors and empresses without naming any. I was referring to the rulers of the Theodosian line and a few of the emperors of the third century debacle.

O-kay... that's several times you've made it look like you meant one thing, and when called on it, claimed you meant another, although there was no way to know you meant the other. First you're claiming Claudius was inefficient because he hid behind a curtain, and now you've jumped ahead a few centuries.

Please be specific when you refer to particular people or groups (and the reverse; how was I to know you didn't mean me when you used the word "you" when you really meant "they"?).

 

[Wrymouth3]

O-kay... that's several times you've made it look like you meant one thing, and when called on it, claimed you meant another, although there was no way to know you meant the other. First you're claiming Claudius was inefficient because he hid behind a curtain, and now you've jumped ahead a few centuries.

Please be specific when you refer to particular people or groups (and the reverse; how was I to know you didn't mean me when you used the word "you" when you really meant "they"?).

Yes, Claudius was inefficent, I claimed he hid behind a curtain because that is what is commonly accepted. Claudius was also inefficent due to other reasons that include his personal overindulgences, his continuation of Caligula's war against the sea, and the fact that he imagined plots by senators whom never existed. His personal manipulation by Tiberius Narcissus during his reign was well documented. That is not to say he didn't do some good things. If all you're going to do is cherry-pick because you can't admit that you misintepreted what I said when I mentioned that historians write about the legitimacy of "CERTAIN" emperors. I went ahead and jumped a few centuries to the Crisis of the Third Century to note the emperors that said historians have talked about in terms of legitimacy. I'm sorry if what I have said is inherently unclear to you, I don't intend to digress, but I thought I would address something that I have read about extensively.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Yes, Claudius was inefficent, I claimed he hid behind a curtain because that is what is commonly accepted. Claudius was also inefficent due to other reasons that include his personal overindulgences, his continuation of Caligula's war against the sea, and the fact that he imagined plots by senators whom never existed. His personal manipulation by Tiberius Narcissus during his reign was well documented. That is not to say he didn't do some good things. If all you're going to do is cherry-pick because you can't admit that you misintepreted what I said when I mentioned that historians write about the legitimacy of "CERTAIN" emperors. I went ahead and jumped a few centuries to the Crisis of the Third Century to note the emperors that said historians have talked about in terms of legitimacy. I'm sorry if what I have said is inherently unclear to you, I don't intend to digress, but I thought I would address something that I have read about extensively.

Claudius went to war against the people of Britain. He didn't declare war on Neptune and gather seashells.

Are you saying the plots never existed, or the senators themselves never existed?

I don't dispute Narcissus was manipulative. He was on Agrippinilla's side, and took every opportunity to advance her cause and that of Nero.

When you write vaguely or imprecisely, you should not be surprised when people think you said something, whether or not that's what you meant.

You did not specify "certain" emperors at first, then you continue to omit which specific emperors you're talking about.

 

[Wrymouth3]

Claudius went to war against the people of Britain. He didn't declare war on Neptune and gather seashells.

Are you saying the plots never existed, or the senators themselves never existed?

I don't dispute Narcissus was manipulative. He was on Agrippinilla's side, and took every opportunity to advance her cause and that of Nero.

When you write vaguely or imprecisely, you should not be surprised when people think you said something, whether or not that's what you meant.

You did not specify "certain" emperors at first, then you continue to omit which specific emperors you're talking about.

Certain senators that never existed, like if Lennay Kekua ordered a hit on someone. Joannes and Gratian are two of the emperors I will go ahead and namedrop. You also mean Poseidon, if you're going to mention the play, use the version as said in the play/television show . I do like the People magazine-esque type writing of Suetonius on the event, it's a good laugh at the expense of his rather poor recording of history.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Certain senators that never existed, like if Lennay Kekua ordered a hit on someone. Joannes and Gratian are two of the emperors I will go ahead and namedrop. You also mean Poseidon, if you're going to mention the play, use the version as said in the play/television show . I do like the People magazine-esque type writing of Suetonius on the event, it's a good laugh at the expense of his rather poor recording of history.

How about getting off your high-horse, 'k?

Since you've name-dropped, please provide a link to the relevant primary sources.

As for the TV series and Poseidon, that name was never uttered by any of the characters.


Link to video.

I just watched this episode - the one where Caligula decides to do battle with Neptune - and there is NO mention of "Poseidon."

Don't presume to tell me what I mean when discussing I, Claudius. I've read the books numerous times and seen the TV series even more times.

 

[Luckymoose]

@Valka: What are you even arguing? You have ignored the content of Wry's posts or taken selections of them out of context to berate him with wild accusations. You should reread what he said and calm down.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

@Valka: What are you even arguing? You have ignored the content of Wry's posts or taken selections of them out of context to berate him with wild accusations. You should reread what he said and calm down.

Wrymouth's posts are imprecise, and he has accused me of saying things I did not say. As demonstrated above, he has berated me for using an incorrect term, which I did not do.

Luckymoose, this is not your argument, and I would appreciate your letting Wrymouth speak for himself.

 

[Wrymouth3]

Wrymouth's posts are imprecise, and he has accused me of saying things I did not say. As demonstrated above, he has berated me for using an incorrect term, which I did not do.

Luckymoose, this is not your argument, and I would appreciate your letting Wrymouth speak for himself.

Forgive me on that one, that was my mistake. The version of I Claudius I've read said "Poseidon." I did not berate you, I asked you a question regarding I Claudius and what term was used, I assumed wrong. If that constitutes "berating" then we have a pretty different idea of what that word means.