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I should note that with MapView tool and the fact that all Maps are now dynamically loaded, adding an extra plot column or two isn't a problem anymore (in case you need more Thrace etc.)
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How? Never heard about it before 
Well it'll be nice if Pulpudeva, Seuthopolis and Abdera can be in-game...
or perhaps I'd rather make the Thracian as well-defended barbarian kingdom then.. much more simplistic and it looks like the code already existed in Barbs.py for Vijayanagara, right?
Well it'll be nice if Pulpudeva, Seuthopolis and Abdera can be in-game...
or perhaps I'd rather make the Thracian as well-defended barbarian kingdom then.. much more simplistic and it looks like the code already existed in Barbs.py for Vijayanagara, right?
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MapView is here:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=305168
You can open a map, select all, copy it, then create a new map that is say 2 tiles wider, paste, merge layers. Then add appriopriate terrain in the new area and save it under a new name. MapView doesn't copy all the extra non-map data (players, teams etc.), so it has to be copy'n'pasted manually in notepad, from the original map.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=305168
You can open a map, select all, copy it, then create a new map that is say 2 tiles wider, paste, merge layers. Then add appriopriate terrain in the new area and save it under a new name. MapView doesn't copy all the extra non-map data (players, teams etc.), so it has to be copy'n'pasted manually in notepad, from the original map.
Thank you.
Apparently the MapView looks broken in my computer.. and it's kinda hard so... I'd rather use the manual way by editing the map in-game and save it
By the way,
do you mind if I use the map you created, with a little adjustment to ancient climate & shoreline?
Apparently the MapView looks broken in my computer.. and it's kinda hard so... I'd rather use the manual way by editing the map in-game and save it
By the way,
do you mind if I use the map you created, with a little adjustment to ancient climate & shoreline?
embryodead
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I don't mind.
Phoenicia
Leader: Hiram
Spawn: 1200 BC at Tyre
UU: Phoenician hoplite (spearman with +25% city defense)
UB: Cothon - same effect as BTS
UHV
-Control 5(?) ressources of dye or trade for (6)? number of ressources by -
- Have the most powerful navy by
- be the first to discover naval technologies and phonetic alphabet
The UP could be
-The power of colonies: additional commerce for each coastal city
Leader: Hiram
Spawn: 1200 BC at Tyre
UU: Phoenician hoplite (spearman with +25% city defense)
UB: Cothon - same effect as BTS
UHV
-Control 5(?) ressources of dye or trade for (6)? number of ressources by -
- Have the most powerful navy by
- be the first to discover naval technologies and phonetic alphabet
The UP could be
-The power of colonies: additional commerce for each coastal city
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Achaemenid Empire
Leaders: Cyrus, Darius I
Spawn: 550 BC at Persepolis (?)
UU: Immortal (replaces spearmen) - same as in RFC
UB: (?)
UP: Power of Satrapy - +2 stability for conquered cities, unhappiness from foreign culture and non-state religion is halved
UHV:
1) Control or vassalize all of Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt, Caucasus, Iran, and Central Asia by 250 BC (so... exactly 300 years to conquer the majority of the world...)
2) Spread Zoroastrianism to 40% by 300 BC
3) Build Naqsh-e Rustam, Gordian Knot, Tomb of Cyrus the Great, and the Behistun Inscription
Then Wonder Suggestions:
Tomb of Cyrus the Great - requires Monarchy and Zoroastrianism - +50%
in city
Naqsh-e Rustam - requires Shahanshah title and Zoroastrianism - +25%
in all cities
Gordian Knot - requires Knotting (a technology) - +50% and in city (destroyed at Alexandrian Invasion)
Behistun Inscription - requires writing and a unit of at least level 4, must be build next to a mountain - +50%
and unit production in city
Leaders: Cyrus, Darius I
Spawn: 550 BC at Persepolis (?)
UU: Immortal (replaces spearmen) - same as in RFC
UB: (?)
UP: Power of Satrapy - +2 stability for conquered cities, unhappiness from foreign culture and non-state religion is halved
UHV:
1) Control or vassalize all of Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt, Caucasus, Iran, and Central Asia by 250 BC (so... exactly 300 years to conquer the majority of the world...)
2) Spread Zoroastrianism to 40% by 300 BC
3) Build Naqsh-e Rustam, Gordian Knot, Tomb of Cyrus the Great, and the Behistun Inscription
Then Wonder Suggestions:
Tomb of Cyrus the Great - requires Monarchy and Zoroastrianism - +50%
in cityNaqsh-e Rustam - requires Shahanshah title and Zoroastrianism - +25%
in all citiesGordian Knot - requires Knotting (a technology) - +50%
and in city (destroyed at Alexandrian Invasion)Behistun Inscription - requires writing and a unit of at least level 4, must be build next to a mountain - +50%
and unit production in cityKingdom of Saba
Leader: Karib’il Watar
Spawn in 800 BC at Ma'rib
- Have trading relations with X different civs by Y
- Be the richest civilization in Z
- Build the Marib Dam (a wonder that should be added) before 700 BC
UP
- The power of agricanism(?)
Can farm hills
UU
haghar hyr - Swordmen +25% against melee units
UB
Dam (replace canal) + 1 health(?)
Leader: Karib’il Watar
Spawn in 800 BC at Ma'rib
- Have trading relations with X different civs by Y
- Be the richest civilization in Z
- Build the Marib Dam (a wonder that should be added) before 700 BC
UP
- The power of agricanism(?)
Can farm hills
UU
haghar hyr - Swordmen +25% against melee units
UB
Dam (replace canal) + 1 health(?)
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Uh, I can help... I suppose.
Akkadian Empire
Leader: Sargon of Akkad
Spawn: 2300 BC at Akkad (which is somewhere...)
UU: Composite Bowmen (replaces archer) - Starts with Combat I and II Promotions (I am really unsure about this one)
UB: Fortress (replaces walls) - New units in cities start with City Raider I and City Defense I, +10% in city (REALLY unsure about this one... so little of the Akkadian Empire remains!)
UP: Power of Akkad (?) - Capital produces units 50% faster, -25% unit maintenance cost, each battle won provides 10 in capital
UHV:
1) Conquer all of Mesopotamia by 2000 BC
2) Make Akkad the largest and most cultured city in 2000 BC
3) Conquer or vassalize 5% of world territory by 1000 BC
Akkadian Empire
Leader: Sargon of Akkad
Spawn: 2300 BC at Akkad (which is somewhere...)
UU: Composite Bowmen (replaces archer) - Starts with Combat I and II Promotions (I am really unsure about this one)
UB: Fortress (replaces walls) - New units in cities start with City Raider I and City Defense I, +10%
in city (REALLY unsure about this one... so little of the Akkadian Empire remains!)UP: Power of Akkad (?) - Capital produces units 50% faster, -25% unit maintenance cost, each battle won provides 10
in capitalUHV:
1) Conquer all of Mesopotamia by 2000 BC
2) Make Akkad the largest and most cultured city in 2000 BC
3) Conquer or vassalize 5% of world territory by 1000 BC
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Sumeria
Leader: Gilgamesh
Spawn: From start at Uruk
UU: Vulture (replaces axeman) - same bonus as with BtS
UB: I have no clue, since ziggurat should probably be cathedral for Sumerian religion.
UP: Power of City-States - All cities receive palace bonuses.
UHV:
1) Obtain legendary culture in one city by 1500 BC
2) Be the first to discover Sailing, Writing, Monarchy, and the Wheel
3) Build two ziggurats by 1500 BC (if we resolve ziggurats to be Sumerian religion cathedrals)
Leader: Gilgamesh
Spawn: From start at Uruk
UU: Vulture (replaces axeman) - same bonus as with BtS
UB: I have no clue, since ziggurat should probably be cathedral for Sumerian religion.
UP: Power of City-States - All cities receive palace bonuses.
UHV:
1) Obtain legendary culture in one city by 1500 BC
2) Be the first to discover Sailing, Writing, Monarchy, and the Wheel
3) Build two ziggurats by 1500 BC (if we resolve ziggurats to be Sumerian religion cathedrals)
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Hittite
Leader: Muwatalli II
Spawn: 1800 BC at Hattusa
UU: Heavy Chariot (replaces chariot) - increased strength, requires iron (see UP)
UB: Bit-hilani (replaces monument) - 1 extra per population
UP: Power of Iron - Iron available from start, iron provides double production bonus at the Iron Age.
UHV:
1) Control Anatolia and the Levant by 1300 BC
2) Control 5 iron resources before 5 civilizations enter the Iron Age
3) Control or vassalize Egypt by 1000 BC
Leader: Muwatalli II
Spawn: 1800 BC at Hattusa
UU: Heavy Chariot (replaces chariot) - increased strength, requires iron (see UP)
UB: Bit-hilani (replaces monument) - 1 extra
per populationUP: Power of Iron - Iron available from start, iron provides double production bonus at the Iron Age.
UHV:
1) Control Anatolia and the Levant by 1300 BC
2) Control 5 iron resources before 5 civilizations enter the Iron Age
3) Control or vassalize Egypt by 1000 BC
Great! My plan so far, there will be at least 4 era: Bronze, Iron, Persian & Hellenistic
On the Gordian Knot,
since there will be Phrygia, spawn on Gordium at 1200 BC, I think they should be the one that built it
On the Akkadian,
I think they should be somewhat like the unplayable Buyids.. while Buyids is there to harass Abassids, Akkadian Assyrian
On the Hittite,
Recent research shows that the earliest Iron traced not at 1800 BC but 1300 BC on the Anatolian region.. so it's not the Hittite that discover it.
Sumerian could have its UHV linked to the Gubio, due to Gubio's interesting position and being that far from Sumer
(I'm also surprised, fyi)
Urartu
Leader: Sarduri II (ruled 764-735 BCE)
Spawn: 860 BC
UU: Urartu archer/axeman ( -1 strong, but start with CityGarrisonII)
UP: Fresh water in all city and additional def for walls in Iron age
UB: Shrine of Ḫaldi(replace pagan temple or monument): 1culture+1 per 3 sacrificial animal (cows, sheeps, pigs, horses any combinations)
UHV_1: Embargo Assyria (iron and horse) from Asia Minor between 786—735 BCE
UHV_2: Control kingdom of Manna(city in n-w part of Kurdistan) and 2 city in Edessa/Syria in 734 BCE
UHV_3: Don't lose Tushpa and Musasir to Assyria before 710 BCE, have 2 city in 585 BCE
map SoI/SoA
legend map
Leader: Sarduri II (ruled 764-735 BCE)
Spawn: 860 BC
UU: Urartu archer/axeman ( -1 strong, but start with CityGarrisonII)
UP: Fresh water in all city and additional def for walls in Iron age
UB: Shrine of Ḫaldi(replace pagan temple or monument): 1culture+1
per 3 sacrificial animal (cows, sheeps, pigs, horses any combinations)UHV_1: Embargo Assyria (iron and horse) from Asia Minor between 786—735 BCE
UHV_2: Control kingdom of Manna(city in n-w part of Kurdistan) and 2 city in Edessa/Syria in 734 BCE
UHV_3: Don't lose Tushpa and Musasir to Assyria before 710 BCE, have 2 city in 585 BCE
map SoI/SoA
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legend map
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Great! My plan so far, there will be at least 4 era: Bronze, Iron, Persian & Hellenistic
On the Gordian Knot,
since there will be Phrygia, spawn on Gordium at 1200 BC, I think they should be the one that built it
On the Akkadian,
I think they should be somewhat like the unplayable Buyids.. while Buyids is there to harass Abassids, Akkadian Assyrian
On the Hittite,
Recent research shows that the earliest Iron traced not at 1800 BC but 1300 BC on the Anatolian region.. so it's not the Hittite that discover it.
Sumerian could have its UHV linked to the Gubio, due to Gubio's interesting position and being that far from Sumer
(I'm also surprised, fyi)
Agree with all suggestions (and surprised about the iron thing - I was always taught Hittites were first to iron)
And with the eras... perhaps we should have the Stone Age as well? Just as a 'launching off of' era (like the Muslim Conquests Era in SoI). So the eras would be:
Stone Age -> Bronze Age -> Iron Age -> Persian Era -> Hellenistic Age
and in each era would contain:
Stone Age: Simple techs like wheel -> Bronze Age: Techs that more defined civilization (Writing, Code of Laws, etc.) -> Iron Age: Should attempt to split the technology tree, and have a 'Military' path and a 'Peace' path -> Persian Era: there should still be military and peace paths, but have a central 'I want to win in anyway possible' path -> Hellenistic Age: merges the paths completely.
This sound acceptable (well, for now)?
On the Stone Age,
I don't think so because:
On the Techs pathway,
I think it's best to leave them like it is now.. because I think even the most militaristic technology, require a cultural or intelligent or religious background techs somehow somewhere, and vice versa
So leaving them interconnecting interchangeably like it is now is the best, IMO.
I don't think so because:
Spoiler :
On the Techs pathway,
I think it's best to leave them like it is now.. because I think even the most militaristic technology, require a cultural or intelligent or religious background techs somehow somewhere, and vice versa
So leaving them interconnecting interchangeably like it is now is the best, IMO.
Nothing, actually.
I'm kinda busy in the med-school and actually this thread's purpose should be like the RFC of India, to inspire other experienced modders to start this project, and my job is to ease them.. helping with the list of civilization, LH names and ideas, 3000BC Middle East map, then minor things such as City Name Manager.py, historical data & judgements, et cetera
I actually have the near finished map concept and CNM concept.. I will upload it in the near future
I'm kinda busy in the med-school and actually this thread's purpose should be like the RFC of India, to inspire other experienced modders to start this project, and my job is to ease them.. helping with the list of civilization, LH names and ideas, 3000BC Middle East map, then minor things such as City Name Manager.py, historical data & judgements, et cetera
I actually have the near finished map concept and CNM concept.. I will upload it in the near future
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It's the only map and time for a any Mod that can reasonably incorporate all the Mesopotamian factions, I've long wanted to play an RFC Sumerian game.
Also could we please not go with the "Phoenician" denonym?
Syriac is a Roman term, just as the former is Greek, but it (or Aramaye, ܐܪܡܝܐ
is what the indigenous peoples of that culture have referred themselves for a long time.
- I think for eras we should use neutral Metallurgical/Mythological terms rather than "Hellenistic Period", because in the game these may (or shouldn't, anyway) happen every game.
- For the map, I prose we cut off India (very little interaction past trade with that area prior to Aleksandr if I'm not wrong) to the East and add the Greek penisula to the West.
You can't really have Aleksandr the Great's conquests without having Greece, afterall.
Otherwise keep the map the same. Anything West would be irrelevant for our purposes, as Magna Gracia was always independent.
Unless we include the Christian era, which will give some big problems to work around.
It's the only map and time for a any Mod that can reasonably incorporate all the Mesopotamian factions, I've long wanted to play an RFC Sumerian game.
Also could we please not go with the "Phoenician" denonym?
Syriac is a Roman term, just as the former is Greek, but it (or Aramaye, ܐܪܡܝܐ
is what the indigenous peoples of that culture have referred themselves for a long time.- I think for eras we should use neutral Metallurgical/Mythological terms rather than "Hellenistic Period", because in the game these may (or shouldn't, anyway) happen every game.
- For the map, I prose we cut off India (very little interaction past trade with that area prior to Aleksandr if I'm not wrong) to the East and add the Greek penisula to the West.
You can't really have Aleksandr the Great's conquests without having Greece, afterall.
Otherwise keep the map the same. Anything West would be irrelevant for our purposes, as Magna Gracia was always independent.
Unless we include the Christian era, which will give some big problems to work around.
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