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Socialism viewed positively by 36% of Americans

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by sumit1207, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. sumit1207

    sumit1207 Prince

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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125645/Socialism-Viewed-Positively-Americans.aspx
    Shocked? I certainly am. Do you think the constant labeling of Obama as socialist by the Right has made the term seem comparatively mild to Americans? Maybe the thought process is "Huh, so this is socialism? I guess it's not so extreme."
     
  2. Arwon

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    Yeah I think the danger of labelling perfectly sensible, moderate things that are done in perfectly sensible, moderate countries as "socialism" is that it loses whatever power as an epithet that it once had.

    To me it smacks of a false dichotomy between socialism and capitalism, people seem to have the idea that government intervention is necessarily "socialist" which is just not true. Governments can be very interventionist and do it in utterly capitalist ways. Hell, government lawmaking power is needed to even make markets work properly.

    So what I reckon what people are actually saying is "more government regulatory power and interventions!" rather than "nationalise the means of production!"
     
  3. I'm Cleo!

    I'm Cleo! Deity

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    Yes, I think it's exactly that. There are a lot of young people who like Obama and think his policies are sensible, but lack the political background to understand fully the arguments thrown back and during the last election. They hear everybody calling Obama a "socialist," so they say, "Yeah, I guess I think socialism is good."

    Cleo
     
  4. bigdog5994

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    stupid Americans
     
  5. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Overuse a term and it starts becoming meaningless and turns into a talking point that has no substance.. freedom, socialism, hammertime...
     
  6. willemvanoranje

    willemvanoranje Curitibano

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    I'm not really shocked, since it's all about what the person himself understands by socialism. If you see socialism as Soviet-Union style states, then I'd be shocked too. The fact that so many people have a positive view indicates to me that they are thinking more of a social-democracy type of thing. Maybe not as extreme as Scandinavia (although that would be totally fine to me), but more in the direction of Western Europe.
     
  7. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    Since supporting Obama is apparently supporting socialism, I guess more than 36% of this country is socialist.
     
  8. Lord Baal

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    I agree with what other people have said here, that the labelling of Obamqa as a socialist has made the word more mundane and less threatening to the average American. It'd be interesting to see what connotations 'communism' had.
     
  9. BasketCase

    BasketCase Username sez it all

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    Socialists themselves generally don't see socialism that way. They see the Soviet Union as a corruption of the concept.
     
  10. West 36

    West 36 Can count up to 4

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  11. amadeus

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    Free enterprise and entrepreneurship viewed positively by nearly 85% of Americans
     
  12. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Neither of which are incompatible with socialism. It is only such in the strawman world of people like you.
     
  13. JerichoHill

    JerichoHill Bedrock of Knowledge

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    define the terms rather then let the definition be determined by the person if you want an accurate survey. I bet most folks are thinking "France"
     
  14. amadeus

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    So what you're saying is that in socialism, the means of production are held privately and this is not incompatible with the socialist system. I see.
     
  15. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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  16. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Entrepreneurship was first identified by Karl Marx as being the driving force behind technological (and thus social) advancement.

    Free Enterprise, or the Free Market, describes an economic environment devoid of subsidies and market modifiers which operates by supply and demand.

    Neither of these things mandate that means of production are held privately.
     
  17. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Well according to Socialists, there has never been a true Socialistic society, so I am confused as to what that term actually means, since we have reference to put it towards
     
  18. amadeus

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    That cartoon is misleading... here's government spending as a percentage of GDP since 1950 (I cut out World War II for obvious reasons.)

     
  19. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    I don't understand what your graph has to do with the one I posted.

    Yours is GDP and government spending, mine is tax rate.
     
  20. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Most of them are still fighting the Cold War. Most of them seem to believe McCarthy-era propaganda that all forms of socialism must be inherently evil.
     

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