Something to ponder...........

[jpowers]

Although not quite on par with scanning Mein Kampf for quotables, this anecdote might shed some light on why Bush's handlers are run ragged every time he appears in public:

At the Ford's Theatre Presidential Gala, when Stevie Wonder sat down at the keyboard center stage, President Bush in the front row got very excited. He smiled and started waving at Wonder, who understandably did not respond. After a moment Bush realized his mistake and slowly dropped the errant hand back to his lap.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by Becka


Nah. I don't think you could kill all the people who get their panties in a knot when you take away the least little civil right.

I happen to be wearing knotted panties. You got a problem with that? I happen to enjoy my freedom.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by gr8ful wes
Time Magazine had a neat little bit on how bush sees and sayes things in very simple black and white terms, or good and evil terms. That is part of his apeal to some, but this all or none attitude needs to be altered. He is afterall a politician, he should know better.

That is a very interesting discovery about those quotes by the way.

[soapbox]
Actually, we need everyone holding political office to think that exact same way. If people would ackowledge that good is good and evil is not, maybe it wouldn't be running rampant.

[/soapbox]

 

[ozscott75]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

[soapbox]
Actually, we need everyone holding political office to think that exact same way. If people would ackowledge that good is good and evil is not, maybe it wouldn't be running rampant.

[/soapbox]

I seem to have misplaced my list. What is 'good' and what is 'evil'. Can you go over it again, I'll promise I'll write it down this time.

 

[God]

Originally posted by omichyron
Bush seems to have some really incompetent speach writers. I think he is an incompetent figurehead with no will of his own, and not at all like Hitler (wow, I offended both sides of the argument with one statement )

His speechwriters can't write for life, but his own attempt to make it better by adding words such as "strategery" just makes things worse. And then that silly smirk when he mentions how great the US is and how we're going to kill somebody's ass.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Actually, I was shocked when i heard Bush almost word for word repeate Hitler - not because I thought he meant the same, but because he sounded so similar. Doesn't he realize that such strong rethorics may go well with a shocked and hurt nation - but sound overly drastic to the rest of the world?

There's a flaw in this theory, though.

The United States was attacked, and three thousand of our people died.

The Sudetenland, Poland, France...these countries neither provoked nor posed any threat to the security of Germany.

It's different, we're combating terrorism, a seemingly invisible enemy. They were combatting an enemy that never existed, never intended, and never provoked nor agitated anyone in Germany.

 

[newfangle]

Originally posted by rmsharpe


There's a flaw in this theory, though.

The United States was attacked, and three thousand of our people died.

The Sudetenland, Poland, France...these countries neither provoked nor posed any threat to the security of Germany.

It's different, we're combating terrorism, a seemingly invisible enemy. They were combatting an enemy that never existed, never intended, and never provoked nor agitated anyone in Germany.

I think your missing the point.....

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by God

His speechwriters can't write for life, but his own attempt to make it better by adding words such as "strategery" just makes things worse. And then that silly smirk when he mentions how great the US is and how we're going to kill somebody's ass.

You do know that "strategery" was Will Farrell's, right? So was 'compasionativity', in case you were wondering.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

rmsharpe:

a) you are missing the point

b) Sudetenland - from germanys view, thsi was a part of germany illegally by any law of any country separated from the Reich.

c) Poland - he made it look like he was attacked..... now it would be absurd to say the US government crashed the jets into the WTC - but in principle, there's no difference!!!!

d) France (and England) - they did declare war after all!





playing devils advocate here - not my personal view of things

 

[Silverblade]

No one can imagine what Bush will do with his time as president.

 

[Panda]

I can't quite subscribe to the point of view of your original post, even though I have to agree that there appear to be similarities, and it is temptative to draw conclusions from that.

On other issues:

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
b) Sudetenland - from germanys view, thsi was a part of germany illegally by any law of any country separated from the Reich.

There also was a certain conference in Munich attended by, among others, the representatives of democracy-minded France and Britain who sanctioned that action as lawful.

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
c) Poland - he made it look like he was attacked..... now it would be absurd to say the US government crashed the jets into the WTC - but in principle, there's no difference!!!!

Yes, the attack on the radio station was a theater act by organised by Heydrich. People tend however to forget (or should I say, choose to forget) that ethnic Germans living in Poland were persecuted and murdered in Poland during the 1920's and 30's. Which nowadays is considered a morally acceptable reason for military actions.

 

[Ohwell]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
c) Poland - he made it look like he was attacked..... now it would be absurd to say the US government crashed the jets into the WTC - but in principle, there's no difference!!!!

There is a conspiracy theory that the CIA/FBI etc. planned the attack so the government would grant them extra money. They did seem to be pretty hard-up for money pre-9/11 though.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Panda: that is exactly what I meant - it is tempting to draw conclusions - and that should have appeared to both the speech-writers and to Bush!

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Silverblade
No one can imagine what Bush will do with his time as president.

I have a few ideas of what the ill-educated one will do;

1. Wreck the environment.
2. Ruin global goodwill towards the USA.
3. Make the vaunted office he holds into a laughing stock.
4. Spew more oppressive and aggressive rhetoric.
5. Send valuable Allied troops into war against pitiful enemies.
6. Failing to hunt down the 'man' who sanctioned the murder of 3000 people...

I never thought I would live to see a man like Bush in charge of the USA...

 

[newfangle]

Originally posted by CurtSibling


I have a few ideas of what the ill-educated one will do;

1. Wreck the environment.
2. Ruin global goodwill towards the USA.
3. Make the vaunted office he holds into a laughing stock.
4. Spew more oppressive and aggressive rhetoric.
5. Send valuable Allied troops into war against pitiful enemies.
6. Failing to hunt down the 'man' who sanctioned the murder of 3000 people...

I never thought I would live to see a man like Bush in charge of the USA...

All 6 points are very correct.

The REM song, "The End of the World as We Know," was written about Bush Sr. as pres.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by CurtSibling

3. Make the vaunted office he holds into a laughing stock.

I think our previous administration did that well enough.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by newfangle
The REM song, "The End of the World as We Know," was written about Bush Sr. as pres.

??? Really ??? Where'd you hear that ??? (I'm not saying it ain't true, I'm just curious: that doesn't sound like a very REM thing to do.

R.III

 

[Panda]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Panda: that is exactly what I meant - it is tempting to draw conclusions - and that should have appeared to both the speech-writers and to Bush!

So since your disclaimer is stating that you don't draw this conclusion, this thread is basically about Bush's speech writers' inaptitude?

Or are you saying that they want people to draw this conclusion, and then 'flame' (for the lack of a better word) them for drawing that conclusion?

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Panda: I do not draw he conclusion - but I do draw the conclusion that Bush is especially inconsiderate and incompetent! He is after all a leader of state - means he has to deal with how other people see him and the US......... I am simply shocked by his lack of thoughtfullness.

 

[gr8ful wes]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2

[soapbox]
Actually, we need everyone holding political office to think that exact same way. If people would ackowledge that good is good and evil is not, maybe it wouldn't be running rampant.

[/soapbox]

In an ideal world