Something to ponder...........

[Ludovit]

originally posted by rmshape
The United States was attacked, and three thousand of our people died.

Afghanistan was counter-attacked and five thousand of civilians died due to US misguided missiles.

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
c) Poland - he made it look like he was attacked..... now it would be absurd to say the US government crashed the jets into the WTC - but in principle, there's no difference!!!!

Exactly. Just think. Who had more benefit of 9-11, US or Terrorist institutions? It was more money for US army, etc. But what's benefit for terrorists? Their destruction. Do you think Osama has zero strategic skills?

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by Ludovit
Afghanistan was counter-attacked and five thousand of civilians died due to US misguided missiles.

Imagine how many people would have died if older, conventional methods had been used.
20 years ago, Kabul would have been carpet bombed. Misguided missiles is a pointless dig at people whose primary goal it is to develop technology that will make war less costly on human lives. If you don't see that as a realisticaly noble goal then you are blind to the damage that comparitive campaigns launched by less sophisticated militaries have done in our lifetime.

Originally posted by Ludovit
Who had more benefit of 9-11, US or Terrorist institutions? It was more money for US army, etc. But what's benefit for terrorists? Their destruction. Do you think Osama has zero strategic skills?

If he was rational he wouldn't be a terrorist.
And what exactly is the point of him spending a few decades of his life saying 'death to America', and then using that great strategic skill to realize if he actually did bring death to America it would end terrorism.
You make the assumption he has values that remotely resemble yours or mine.
Additionally, there is mountains of evidence to show his direct involvement in terrorist activities, primarily the African Embassy bombings. Assuming for one second that we place our heads squarely in the sand and he had absolutely nothing to do with Sept. 11th, we're still on a mission to wipe out terrorism, and he is still a terrorist.

Second of all, if you wish to implicate that enough American military/intelligence officials had enough motivation and capability to kill Americans for higher funding, please just come out and say you're gullible and will believe terrorist propoganda because you hate America (excuse me, American policy ) instead of trying to skirt the issue.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by Ludovit
Exactly. Just think. Who had more benefit of 9-11, US or Terrorist institutions? It was more money for US army, etc. But what's benefit for terrorists? Their destruction. Do you think Osama has zero strategic skills?

Think you're pretty clever, don't you?

Well, let's take your oh-so-clever Leninist argument and apply it to everything, shall we?

America benefited most from WWI, and the Germans, Russians and Austrians took the worst of it. Therefore, obviously a YANK shot the Archduke! Isn't it obvious? What, you don't think Franz Joseph, the Czar and the Kaiser had zero strategic skills, do you?

The Western European powers benefited most from the decline of Byzantium. Ergo, Charlemagne must have been behind the creation of Islam!

In the end, the Britons gained the most from the Napoleonic wars. This is no accident, since they secretly funded Napoleon THE WHOLE TIME! Sure, they lost hundreds of thousands of men fighting the guy, but that was all part of their sinister plan for world domination!

And when those native Americans kept attacking American cities on the coast, and when they rebelled in the 1800s to try to retake their land, that was all just a PLOY! They were really just Georgians, hired to wear face paint, scalp Kentucky women and pretend to be Indians to get more money for cavalry from Congress! A conspiracy of the land speculators and the military industrial complex!

The war of 1812 was a Canadian conspiracy to help the career of Isaac Brock.

The occupation of India by Britain was planned and executed hundreds of years in advance by Ghandi (who was Clive in a past life), because Ghandi knew that only if India was first conquered would it be unified enough to be an independent power in the 21st century.

The massacres in Rwanda were secretly staged by international war crimes lawyers, who were upset that business was slow.

And of course, it was those guys who hoard gold who caused the great German inflation in the 1920s, right? Because they were the ones who benefited, right?

I see you're in school. Spend a little more time there before you vote next, okay? Trust me. Osama can make mistakes. Just like governments do. Your political ideas are obviously based on the false belief that everyone knows what they are doing, like it's all some sort of Bond flick. Trust me, I've seen it first hand. NO ONE HAS A CLUE. It's all improvisation. History doesn't walk forward, it twists forward.

R.III

 

[onejayhawk]

Originally posted by Greadius
Imagine how many people would have died if older, conventional methods had been used.
20 years ago, Kabul would have been carpet bombed. Misguided missiles is a pointless dig at people whose primary goal it is to develop technology that will make war less costly on human lives. If you don't see that as a realisticaly noble goal then you are blind to the damage that comparitive campaigns launched by less sophisticated militaries have done in our lifetime.

If he was rational he wouldn't be a terrorist.
And what exactly is the point of him spending a few decades of his life saying 'death to America', and then using that great strategic skill to realize if he actually did bring death to America it would end terrorism.
You make the assumption he has values that remotely resemble yours or mine.
Additionally, there is mountains of evidence to show his direct involvement in terrorist activities, primarily the African Embassy bombings. Assuming for one second that we place our heads squarely in the sand and he had absolutely nothing to do with Sept. 11th, we're still on a mission to wipe out terrorism, and he is still a terrorist.

Second of all, if you wish to implicate that enough American military/intelligence officials had enough motivation and capability to kill Americans for higher funding, please just come out and say you're gullible and will believe terrorist propoganda because you hate America (excuse me, American policy ) instead of trying to skirt the issue.

Greadius, it is totally depressing when you make sense. after all this, what am I supposed to add?

Maybe this. You can stand outside the Capital and you can stand in the square in Bagdad. Both places will let you denounce US foreign policy. Somehow I dont think this make the places equal.

J

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Greadius, Richard:

 

[Panda]

Richard III, that was an excellent post for a Saturday noon hang-over.

Thank you