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SprylliNES V: The Peloponnesian War

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by spryllino, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    There's no shortage of perfectly decent players, no, and, in fact, I don't see any problem here at all, and I'd rather you didn't make unwarranted discouraging comments, erez.

    das, if you could be online Saturday evening GMT that would be no bad thing but it's by no means necessary.

    If Dachs sends me orders for Thrace before his operation tomorrow I will use them; if not, I would rather not NPC him, so it would be nice if Alcibiades could consider going to Thrace on behalf of Lamachus, who can be ill IC as well if necessary. :p Thayli, would you undertake this?
  2. erez87

    erez87 Lord of Random

    May 16, 2002
    Lod, Israel
    I'm a very emotional person.
  3. Shadowbound

    Shadowbound Scourge of God

    Mar 4, 2007
    Shockingly enough, I'm not available to play in this.
  4. MjM

    MjM Deity

    Jun 12, 2004
    I'm here. :3

    I'll be picking up Mantinea.
  5. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    If you spoke to Kraz and submitted appropriate plans as orders tonight or before 7pm tomorrow, that would be good, then, MjM.
  6. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    Update 1 - March 421 to March 420

    As soon as the Treaty was signed, the Megarans denounced the treaty, and called on the Boeotians to protect them, and help them to regain Nisaea; it was not right, they said, that the Spartans should abandon their allies, and allow them to be impoverished, and for their harbours to be taken, in order to come to terms with a people that had devastated their land and the land of their allies. The Thebans and Eleans declared that they too would not accept the treaty: the Thebans were unwilling to give back Panactum, a fort they had taken from Athens, and they also declared that to make peace would be a signal disgrace, if the men of Boeotia who had fought at Delium and who had driven off the Athenians were forced by the mere spiritlessness of their allies to surrender Panactum. The Eleans, on the other hand, had not settled the question of Lepreum, which they held a tribute-paying part of their territory, while the Lepreates contested that they were an independent ally of Sparta.

    The Spartans also concluded a defensive alliance with the Athenians. The Athenians resolved to march out in full force against the Thebans if they would not accept the treaty, and, with no support from anyone else except the Megarans, the Thebans were forced to capitulate and handed over Panactum. The Athenians immediately sent back the prisoners, and Demosthenes left Pylos immediately, in accordance with the Treaty; the Athenians also handed over Methana, Cythera, and Atalanta to their previous owners.

    Alcibiades's successful coercion of the Boeotians into accepting the treaty increased his popularity; his attempts to raise men to help the Mantineans generally met with little success, partly because he did not have the endorsement of the Assembly, partly because the battle that took place between the Mantineans and the Spartans took place relatively early in the summer, and partly because he only had private funds and so could only ever possibly have recruited as many as two hundred volunteers even for a campaign much closer to home. [Alcibiades gains and loses influence among the rich; Alcibiades gains influence among the poor; Alcibiades's wealth from high to moderate.]

    ------- ITALY -------

    However, these were not the only troubles occurring in Greece as winter drew to a close, and in particular the city of Cumae, a Euboean colony, the westernmost Greek colony in Italy, came under attack from the Italian people called the Samnites.

    The Samnites are a barbarian people who, it is said, are the fiercest and best fighters in the whole of Italy; their organisation and discipline is as remarkable as their prowess, and despite being organised, like a Greek army, in rows of sorts, they exhibit flexibility unmatched by Greek armies, which is admirably suited to the hilly lands in which they live, if not to the plain of Campania. The Samnite cavalry is also excellent, although not as renowned as the cavalry of the Lucanians. The Samnite army at Cumae was well-armed and equipped, and drawn from the picked men and the levies of all the Samnite peoples, who live throughout that area of Italy, and the Samnites had already subdued the Tyrrhenians who lived in the surrounding area, the men of Nola, Volturnum and Capua.

    The Samnites had defeated the men of Cumae in battle several times, once outside their very walls, driving them back into the refuge of their city, and putting them under siege by land, and thereby cutting them off from any sort of help from their colony, Neapolis, a little to the east of Cumae. The Samnites are not, though, a naval power, and it was quite beyond their ability to besiege the Cumaeans by sea as well, and so Cumae was not on the point of starving, but rather on the point of being taken by storm, as the Cumaeans' weapons were mostly blunt, their missiles were exhausted, and all the best men were dead, while many of the rest were injured. However, the city had not yet fallen because of the hope the Cumaeans now entertained of relief from the other Greeks, which encouraged them to resist firmly, so that even though, on one occasion, a large party of Samnites breached the main gate of the city, they lost a considerable number of men and were driven back. The Cumaeans' emissaries to the various Greek states did not fall on deaf ears: the Tarentines were the first to begin raising a force, and the Metapontines joined them, as did the people of Posidonia and Elea, places on the coast south of Cumae, and the Spartans and Syracusans also pledged some assistance to the defence of the Greek against the barbarian.

    The Spartans, at the beginning of summer, equipped several expeditions, of which the first and most urgent was one commanded by a regular officer named Pythodorus, bound for Cumae. The urgency of the expedition was clear, as Cumae was already under siege and reputedly on the point of falling, and it was quite impossible to find more than two pentakontores and a small number of requisitioned merchant ships (found with great difficulty, as Sparta trades very little with the rest of Greece) to carry the force of Spartans and Perioeci to Cumae. Indeed, the dispatching of all but 500 perioeci on one expedition or another this summer rendered it quite impossible to construct as many ships as had been hoped for, and, in fact, only three triremes, whose crews had yet to be found, were constructed by the Spartans by the end of the year. At any rate, the small force of ships sailed from Gythium very soon, and sailed across towards Messenia, but as they were sailing up the Messenian coast they were struck by a severe storm, driving them back against the coast, and shipwrecking four of the merchantmen and one of the pentekontores, and a number of Spartans died. The rest of the ships were actually driven into the harbour at Pylos, which Demosthenes and the Athenians had left shortly beforehand, and, sailing out again, the Spartans rescued the casualties and extracted the dead bodies from the water, and buried them before setting off home again, with their fleet in no real state to brave the dangers of the Ionian Sea. [-100 Perioeci; -30 Spartiates.]

    The Tarentines, however, set out with a well-equipped fleet, and, despite a storm scattering the fleet, all but one ship reassembled at Elea when the armada stopped to provision itself there a few days later. They reached Cumae just after the middle of summer, and there disembarked from the ships company upon company of men; it seemed to the Cumaeans looking on more like an expedition of new colonists, sent to repopulate the city after the depredations of the Italians, rather than an army: indeed, the army, 2500 Tarentines and Metapontines along with 2000 Posidonians and Eleans, was larger than the city it was relieving, and yet still smaller than the besieging army, especially in cavalry, as the Tarentines had not been able to transport any horses, and there were less than a hundred horses inside Cumae ready for battle, whereas there were at least a thousand cavalry in the Samnite army, if not a good deal more. There were about 6000 Samnite heavy or medium infantry, all eager to carry off their individual share of the booty, although this was by no means the full strength of the Samnites.

    When they arrived, the Samnites decided, nevertheless, to make another attempt on the town, trying to take it by storm: their enthusiasm for plunder was such that they acted without too much regard for the sudden increase in the numbers of their defenders. However, they realised, after two months and as many fresh attempts, suffering many losses and inflicting some casualties on the Greeks, that they would not succeed, and so they retreated along the road to Capua. [-250 Tarentines]

    The Cumaeans were extremely grateful and delighted that they had been delivered from the hands of the enemy, and they used some of the funds recently brought from Taras and Syracuse for the construction of a shrine celebrating the victory; and they erected a large bronze figure of a personification of Taras, accompanied by smaller statues of Apollo and of the Tarentine general. They honoured the Tarentines among the founders of the city, and vowed a great Temple of Zeus if ever the Samnites were soundly defeated. Cumae accepted a large Tarentine garrison of 1000 men and made an alliance with them for fifty years, and took in willing colonists from all the peoples within the army, and also sent out an appeal across the Greek world for new colonists to come and join their city. [-500 Tarentines to Cumae; -600 Posidonians and Eleans to Cumae.]

    Meanwhile, the Tarentines and Metapontines marched together in full force into the interior of Lucania in a bold attack on the barbarian Lucanians. The total force amounted to as many as 10,000 men. They marched right into the hills along the best available track to Grumentum, much to the surprise of the Lucanians, who rapidly gathered together an exceptionally large army, considerably larger than the large Greek forces. Upon reports of this reaching the Tarentines, they marched back to the border and ravaged the land there, not that that land was particularly rich, and when the Lucanians pursued, the Greeks withdrew to Heraclea. The Lucanians raided some of the farmland north of Heraclea before the Greeks marched out and blocked the road. In a vain attempt to encircle the Lucanians, they stretched their line surprisingly thin, and fought, perhaps, three deep most of the way along the line, but what might easily have been a tactical blunder turned out much better than it might have done, because the hoplites held their line with extreme ferocity and discipline; the Greek cavalry was victorious on the right but routed on the left. All in all, though, the battle was fought and won by the relative prowess of the men in the infantry ranks, and the Greeks came out of it far more creditably, and did not break ranks throughout the course of the battle. All the Lucanian assaults therefore came to nothing, and a good few barbarians were killed in the rout, although the Lucanian cavalry victory on their right meant that the Lucanian cavalrymen were able to safeguard the escape of most of the Lucanian forces. Victorious, the Greeks returned to their cities to bring in the harvest, and began the erection of a Temple of Zeus in Heraclea, a considerable project that would take much time and effort to complete, and was made more difficult by the disproportionate losses suffered by the Heracleans, who were on the left in the battle. [-100 Tarentine infantry, -100 Heraclean infantry, -50 Metapontine infantry, -100 Tarentine cavalry, -100 Heraclean cavalry]

    Meanwhile, in Sicily, Bricinniae, not receiving any assistance from anyone else, surrendered to the Syracusans without much further resistance.

    ------- THRACE -------

    In Thrace, upon the treaty being received by Clearidas, he sent a despatch to the Spartans to say that is was quite impossible to hand over Amphipolis to the Athenians without the citizens' consent; the Spartans replied that he should order them to do so, but failing that, that he should leave Amphipolis and march south immediately, by way of Heraclea in Trachis. Unfortunately, an Amphipolitan demagoge of the worst sort, named Thrasydaeus, mounted the platform, and, winding up the Amphipolitans into a fury at the Treaty, called on them to resist the Spartans, who, he said, were now quite as much their enemies as the Athenians were, and to prevent them from leaving, or to treat them just the same as any other enemy. When the Spartiates were all together in the agora, with Clearidas standing next to them by the side of the platform from which Thrasydaeus was addressing the Amphipolitans, they suddenly found themselves, each only carrying a sword, surrounded by a mob of armed supporters of Thrasydaeus. At this point, the agora suddenly broke out into frenzied panic, and the Amphipolitans ran to arms. Clearidas did the only thing he possibly could in the circumstances, short of fighting his way out into hostile territory with no armour or provisions and being surrounded in the countryside; mounting the podium, he cried that the Spartans would never abandon their allies against their will, and that the Spartans would certainly stay as long as the Amphipolitans needed them. At this point, the Spartans were able to slip out of the tense agora and go back to their quarters, thoroughly dismayed at this unprecedented situation.

    At any rate, this was the situation when Lamachus arrived at Eion with 2500 infantry and 40 ships; when he arrived, he received a secret despatch from Clearidas explaining the situation and apologising for the circumstances. Lamachus decided to await further instructions from the Assembly, and devoted his attention to capturing Scione, which fell without much trouble. In the circumstances, he prevented the Peloponnesian troops left there by Brasidas from leaving, again waiting for the Assembly to determine an appropriate measure for dealing with them given that Amphipolis had not been restored. Instead, Lamachus confiscated their armour, and took them with him to Potidaea, where he spent the winter.

    At the same time, the Hieraeans and Paralians, along with many of the Trachinians, made a move to drive the Spartans out of Heraclea, a staging-post built in Trachis some years earlier. Originally it had been prosperous, but now raids from the Malian tribes had rendered it poorer and less populous. The Malians had the support of many of the Thessalians, including that of the city of Larissa; the Aleuads indeed claimed that the threat posed by the Spartans to Thessaly was great enough that the extraordinary office of tagos should be given to their head, but the Thessalians rejected this idea out of hand, as the circumstances did not appear to warrant it. While many of the Aleuads themselves with kleroi in Pelasgiotis were quite reluctant to leave their farms to fight, and the city of Pherae sent a contingent more than somewhat below their requisite quota, the Pharsalians were fairly eager to set out, with the result that a very large army of Thessalians, strong in infantry and cavalry alike, soon gathered at Pharsalus and marched into Malis. The army was, indeed, so large that it could scarcely be supplied in such a place as Malis, and a certain number of the Thessalians had to be sent home for want of supplies.

    At any rate, the Thessalian army made as though to take the place by storm. As the Thessalian army was far too large for any Heraclean sally to even make a dent on, the Heracleans did not offer battle to the Thessalians and it was quite beyond the power of the Thessalians to force it. The Thessalians repeatedly tried for the rest of the year to take Heraclea by storm; but it was well garrisoned and fortified given the small size of the place, and the Heracleans had made sure of buying up food supplies beforehand. The Thessalians made several attacks on the city wall during the course of the summer, but they all failed, and, although the Heracleans are now beginning to run out of food, the Thessalians are even more short of it, and less numerous than they were before, as much of the besieging force left Malis to bring in the harvest in from the fields of Thessaly. Heraclea was still under siege by the beginning of the following summer, but the besiegers were much fewer in number and mostly Malians, Aenianians, and Dolopians, with a small remaining contingent of Pharsalians. [-200 Heracleans; -1000 Thessalian infantry of various types; 500 Trachinians defect to the Thessalians; sizeable decrease in Aleuad prestige throughout Thessaly.]

    The Athenian officer on the spot at Pteleum was not relieved by any Spartan garrison, and consequently was unable to hand the place over to the Spartans, especially as relinquishing the city would have exposed it to an attack by the Thessalians.

    ------- THE PELOPONNESE -------

    In the same year, at the beginning of summer, the Spartans, led by King Pleistoanax, marched into Parrhasia from the south, in order to destroy the fort at Cypsela. The Mantineans, marching out in full force, made to hinder the attack while they waited for reinforcements. In particular, they fortified certain narrow passes against the Spartans as they advanced into Parrhasia, with, indeed, considerable success: while each pass fell in turn, by the time that the Mantineans had fallen back on Cypsela, urgent appeals had been despatched to Elis and Argos, and it became known that large Elean and Argive forces were marching to join them, and, indeed, the Eleans had already reached Heraea, while the Argives were at Mantinea itself. The Spartans nevertheless laid siege to Cypsela, which, spurred on with the help of reinforcements, the Mantineans and their Arcadian allies defended valiantly. [-100 Mantineans; -100 Parrhasians; 250 Parrhasians defect from Mantinea to Sparta]

    The Spartans were eager to give battle in wide open terrain: as it happened they had little difficulty in achieving this, as the Mantineans were also spoiling for a fight, and the two armies faced each other along a valley, across a brook named the Crysserus, whose spring was the water source for the garrison of the fort of Cypsela, which was on the hill to the west, overlooking the battle. Both armies were equally well positioned on the rocky ground which stretched between the brook and the hills; the ground sloped slowly towards the river from both sides, down to the riverbed, which was about a yard deep and two and a half yards wide, but, at the time of year, it only had a slight amount of water running at the bottom. The Spartans had to cross the brook in order to dislodge the Mantineans and continue to besiege Cypsela, which they did with formidable discipline, securing themselves their position on the opposite bank with no real difficulty; nevertheless, the Tegeans came to grips with the Argives with the back two rows of their phalanx still in the riverbed. However, their first attack pushed the Argives in the centre right back with considerable ease, with the result that they extricated themselves from the brook and faced the allies on more or less even terms.

    On the Spartan left, the Sciritae were drawn up partly opposite the Eleans, but mostly opposite the Argives, as, in fact, the Eleans so far outflanked the Sciritae that the Eleans barely faced anyone at all. In the centre, the Tegeans were at the front, with the perioeci in the ranks behind them, drawn up against the Argives and Arcadian allies of the Mantineans. On the Spartan right, the Spartiates themselves, along with the Neodamodeis, were drawn up against the Mantineans; the end of the allied line was taken by the thousand picked Argives. Thus the best troops of the Spartans were drawn up against the best troops of the Argives.

    On the Spartan right, the Spartans largely came face to face, then, with the Thousand, who fiercely attacked the Spartans drawn up 16 deep, and, much to the surprise of everyone, this actually succeeded; the normally unbreakable Spartiate line broke, and the Spartiates and Neodamodeis were driven back first into the river and then across to the other side, leaving quite a disturbance in the cohesion of the line between the Spartans and the Perioeci, which the picked Argives began to exploit enthusiastically. [-120 Spartiates; -100 neodamodeis.]

    The Sciritae and Tegeans, though, held their ground excellently, and the Tegeans made such headway against the Argives that, in fact, this began to accentuate the gap between the Tegeans and the Spartans, which began to be filled with a - now rather confused - melée of intermingled perioeci, neodamodeis, and picked Argives. The Sciritae, who were completely outflanked and outnumbered by the Eleans, nevertheless held their ground very creditably.

    The picked Argives, then, having pushed the Spartans onto the further river bank, sought to exploit the gap between the Spartans and Tegeans, and fought very effectively, inflicting significant casualties on the perioeci and neodamodeis, and significantly affecting the ability of the Tegeans to push further on against the other allied troops in front of them. [-400 perioeci; -300 neodamodeis; -50 Spartiates; -50 picked Argives.]

    However, a point came where the Thousand pushed too far into the gap, and the offensive ended up fouling itself on the riverbank; soon enough, the Thousand found themselves trapped in between the Spartiates, who by now had recovered their cohesion as might have been expected from such a well-disciplined unit, and the perioeci to their rear, who, while forced to fight the other way round from the way they had been originally been standing, nevertheless attacked the Thousand ferociously. The Thousand were effectively surrounded, and they were shortly routed. Although some escaped to the hills, a massacre of the Thousand was shortly under way. Although the support of the perioeci vanishing caused considerable difficulties for the Tegeans, who were pushed back towards the river by the body of the Argives and Arcadians, the pressure was still not enough to force them to break, and, to the great credit of the Sciritae, they did not break either, and, soon enough, the picked Argive corps was no more. [-500 picked Argives.]

    The Spartans recrossed the river to deal with the troops facing the Tegeans, and pushed in on the Mantinean flank. In the circumstances, it was simply a matter of time before the enemy broke; under pressure from better soldiers, the numbers of the allies were of little use. The Sciritae were practically entrenched by now and it was quite impossible for the enemy to displace them, despite the Eleans outflanking them by about 2500 men; the Mantineans, though, were completely demoralised by the Spartan flank attack, and so, in due course, the allied line broke and the army fled, reassembling eventually at Mantinea, although the Eleans went home instead to take in their harvest. Cypsela was immediately taken, and the Parrhasian cities were forced to capitulate to the Spartans. [-500 Argives; -500 Mantineans; -200 Eleans; -200 Parrhasians; -200 Tegeans.]

    The Spartans then marched east. The Maenalians also joined them, and they reached Mantinea shortly before harvest. Some of the Mantineans had, in fact, reaped a small amount of corn in the course of their flight, and their poorer citizens and slaves had brought in a certain quantity of grain; but even that was not really ripe. Most of the harvest was carried off by the Spartans as they marched on Mantinea. The Spartans immediately sat down to a siege, but the Mantineans soon began to run out of food. By the end of winter, Mantinea's granaries were very nearly empty, although all direct attacks on the city have failed and it remains that the combined forces of the Argives and Mantineans are still sizeable. [-50 Spartiates; -50 perioeci; -50 Mantineans.]


    The Athenian Boule will meet on Tuesday at 11pm GMT; the Athenian Ekklesia will meet on Wednesday at 11pm GMT.

    To Syracuse
    From the Leontinian democrats

    Please show your mercy and spare us, and restore us to some sort of freedom.

    To all Greeks
    From Cumae

    Our city is depopulated through the Samnites's depredations, but we have been saved! We therefore call for new colonists from throughout the Greek world to come to our still highly prosperous city and repopulate it and make it once more as great a city as it was.

    To Sparta
    From Gythium, Helus, etc.

    We cannot afford to build any more warships until we have replaced our lost merchantmen. We hope you can understand this.


    You can't be in two places at once. Therefore, if you send all the people from your city out on campaign, they can't build you a new fleet at the same time. A significant temple or a new fleet takes manpower to build. I don't mind, though, if players want to give overly ambitious orders; bear in mind, though, that if you try to do two things at once with the same manpower, you need to prioritise or I will do it for you.

    For invasions and actions, I could do with a time of the year. For example, das, I supposed you wanted to attack Mantinea at the beginning of summer, but you didn't say, so I might have been wrong, and Yui, erez, you should also have specified please.

    If you were the victim of a unfortunate and improbable accidents, I apologise on behalf of my dice. I don't give them a very big role in my decision making, but in this update they were very insistent. :p

    I resolved various battles and campaigns this update on #nes, which I always like as a way of doing that. All players are welcome to take advantage of the possibility of doing this (not that it necessarily is to your advantage if you've written decent plans and contingencies) by being on #nes at the right moment.

    If you see any mistakes in the stats, inform me please.

    Gen.Mannerheim: Sorry you didn't get much of a mention compared to everyone else; your orders were good and the only reason you didn't get much of the update is because you didn't have any real problems in carrying your orders out.

    Espoir: For the second part of your orders, nothing has come of them. If you wanted that to work, the way to do it would be to have spoken to an Athenian player and got them to pull a few strings.

    The Strategos: I will reply to your orders-cum-diplo by PM separately later on.


    Spoiler :

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  7. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010

    Spoiler Athens :

    The Athenian People/Permanent NPC
    Democracy, governed by the Assembly and Council
    Current Income of 400 talents per year in peacetime from tribute and customs (not including liturgies) with state pay subtracted.

    1000 TALENTS banked for dire emergencies
    800 TALENTS otherwise banked (A surplus is required here if the Athenian state intends a very expensive undertaking. Such a surplus will amass every turn if the Athenian state does not undertake anything sizeable.)

    19500 Citizen hoplites
    3500 Citizen hoplites under Lamachus's command in Potidaea and Mecyberna
    500 Plataean exile hoplites

    3000 Acarnanian infantry
    1000 Amphilochian infantry

    60 Athenian ships
    40 Athenian ships at Potidaea
    30 Chian ships
    10 Methymnan ships
    30 Corcyran ships

    Each turn, the players representing the politicians should send in orders stating what policies they wish to carry out in the Athenian Assembly. If they are elected to a military command, then they must also determine the strategy for that expedition. They may also use their own disposable income to influence events; if unused, future income will be slightly higher, and if used, future income may be lower. Politicians may also have political allies, who are NPC, but, as they are friends and allies of the players, the players can expect to be able to use their services to do things/propose legislation for them. Please note that I will not put up with the use of NPC political allies to evade the need to carry out actions for yourself: if Laches, as an ally of Nicias, undertakes a military campaign, Nicias must still devise the strategy. On the other hand, it may be that Laches turns out to be a better or worse general than Nicias would have been; to determine such things, refer to historical sources.

    Reputation among the rich: very high
    Reputation among the poor: moderate
    Personal wealth: very high
    Military skill: moderate

    Reputation among the rich: low
    Reputation among the poor: moderate
    Personal wealth: moderate
    Military skill: high, inexperienced

    Reputation among the rich: very low
    Reputation among the poor: high
    Personal wealth: low
    Military skill: low, inexperienced

    Reputation among the rich: moderate
    Reputation among the poor: moderate
    Personal wealth: moderate
    Military skill: high

    On campaign at Potidaea!
    Reputation among the rich: low
    Reputation among the poor: low
    Personal wealth: low
    Military skill: high

    Spoiler Playable Southern Greek States :

    Broad Oligarchy; governed by two Kings, five Ephors, the Gerousia and the Apella
    Leader of the Peloponnesian League
    1550 Spartiates
    1650 Perioeci
    1800 Tegeates (Loyal)
    600 Neodamodeis
    1000 Lepreans (Sympathetic)
    600 Sciritae
    500 Aegytians (Resentful)
    900 Parrhasians and Maenalians (Apathetic)

    600 Heraclean hoplites
    1500 Dorian and Trachinian peltasts

    700 Spartiates garrisoning Amphipolis (much to their dismay)

    [300 Perioeci imprisoned in Potidaea]

    Sparta, or Lacedaemon, is easily the most powerful state in the Peloponnese, best known for the fierce reputation (albeit marred by recent events) of its citizen soldiers, who all pass through the rigorous Agoge instated by the semi-mythical lawmaker Lycurgus. Dominating Laconia from the 8th century BC, Sparta at first joined the towns it conquered on to the Spartan state as perioecic communities, whose men served in the army but did not participate in Lacedaemonian politics, but soon began to turn the people it conquered into helot serfs who worked the land on behalf of Spartan aristocratic masters. Continued expansion resulted in the conquest of Messenia by 715. Sparta grew to rival Argos, but Argos defeated Sparta at Hysiae in 669, prompting the Messenians to rebel. The struggle with Argos intermittently continued throughout the next century until the Argive and Tegean defeat in the middle of the 6th century, resulting in Sparta controlling the eastern coastline of Laconia as well as securing Tegea as loyal allies. In the Persian Wars, Sparta took a leading role in defending Greece against King Xerxes, but Athens took over the leadership of the coalition after the Persians had withdrawn from Greece. Spartan hegemony soon came under threat from a coalition of Argos, Elis, and Mantinea, and as soon as the allies had been defeated at Dipaea (465) there was an earthquake and the helots rebelled again but were defeated and settled at Naupactus in Locris by the Athenians. However, with its allies peaceable and with a peace treaty in operation with Argos running for thirty years (451-421), Sparta was in a powerful position when the war with Athens began (following the incidents at Epidamnus, Corcyra, Potidaea and Plataea) in 431. Spartan arms invaded Attica frequently during the war, but Sparta's position was seriously compromised when 300 Spartiates were captured (a unique event) upon the Athenian capture of Pylos in 425. The Spartan position was made even worse when the Athenians captured Nisaea, and only recently did events take a turn for the better with the numerous successes of Brasidas in Thrace. Brasidas's death (along with Cleon's) paved the way for the peace between Athens and Sparta which has just been solemnised.

    Corinth/The Strategos
    Broad Oligarchy, governed by an annually elected Prytanis, Polemarch and Council
    Member of the Peloponnesian League
    Mother city to Leucas, Ambracia, and Syracuse
    4000 Citizen hoplites
    500 hoplites garrisoning Leucas and Ambracia
    1000 Leucadian hoplites (Loyal)
    1500 Ambraciot hoplites (Loyal, at peace by separate treaty with Athens and Acarnania)

    8 Corinthian warships

    Corinth is one of the most important and strategically located Greek cities, and this, indeed, led to it being one of the most prosperous of the cities, with the largest navy outside Athens and numerous colonies. Its rivalry with Athens was a major cause of the last war, because Athens excluded Corinth from gaining control over Corcyra and Potidaea, both Corinthian colonies. Defeats in naval battles meant that most of the navy was sunk, and the Leucadians and Ambraciots were decisively defeated at Idomene by the Acarnanians. Corinth's position is weak, although it still retains experienced sailors and a better maritime position than any of its allies, as well as retaining claims to intervention in numerous cities that it founded, including Syracuse in Sicily.

    Democracy, governed by the Assembly, the Council of 600, the Demiurgi, and the Thesmophylaces
    Allied to Mantinea and Argos
    3000 Citizen hoplites
    800 Triphylian hoplites (Apathetic)
    400 Marganian, Amphidolian and Letrinian slingers (Apathetic)

    Elis is a relatively small state on the west coast of the Peloponnese, most significant because of its role in hosting the Olympic Games every four years. It has various subject states to the south, in the Triphylian and other dependent cities.

    Democracy, governed by the Assembly, the Council, and the Demiurgi
    Allied to Elis and Argos
    2050 Mantinean hoplites
    950 other Arcadian hoplites (Loyal)

    Mantinea has profited from the recent years of war to gain a hegemony in Arcadia (the central Peloponnese), and currently fears that Sparta may try to restore its own hegemony and restore the Arcadian cities to an equal position.

    Democracy, governed by the Assembly, the Council, the Eighty, and the Artynae
    Allied to Elis and Mantinea
    450 Epilektoi
    2500 Argive hoplites
    500 Cleonaean hoplites (Loyal)
    500 Orneaean hoplites (Loyal)

    Long neutral, Argos was a rival to Sparta for the Peloponnese until about 470, when it concluded a peace treaty that expires in 420.

    Achaean League/NPC
    Very decentralised league of Democracies and Oligarchies
    No alliance

    Pellene 800
    Aegira 300
    Aegae 300
    Bura 200
    Cerynia 200
    Helice 400
    Aegium 500
    Patrae 500
    Dyme 400
    Pharae 300
    Tritaea 300

    The Achaean League is more an ethnic and cultural than a political or military organisation. Until peace, some cities, notably Pellene, were in alliance with Sparta as well as belonging to the League.

    League of Acte/NPC
    Decentralised Alliance of Oligarchies
    Allied to Sparta
    1200 Epidaurian hoplites
    800 Troezenian hoplites
    800 Hermionian hoplites
    500 Halieian hoplites

    These small states in the peninsula of Acte have long been allied with Sparta, mainly to defend themselves against Argos.

    Hegemon of the Boeotian League (each member of which supplies a quota of 1000 Infantry and 100 Cavalry and 1 Boeotarch); Oligarchy within each city; allies in Megara and Locris whose armies are largely willing to follow Boeotian foreign policy because it normally coincides with their interests
    Member of the Peloponnesian League
    4000 Theban hoplites (4 Boeotarchs)
    500 Theban hoplites to cover the loss of Thespians at Delium
    1500 Thespian hoplites (2 Boeotarchs) (Disloyal but ruled by a puppet oligarchy)
    2000 Orchomenian hoplites (2 Boeotarchs) (Apathetic)
    1000 Tanagran hoplites (1 Boeotarch) (Sympathetic)
    1000 Copaean and Acraephnian hoplites (1 Boeotarch) (Sympathetic)
    1000 Haliartan and Coronean hoplites (1 Boeotarch) (Sympathetic)

    400 Theban cavalry
    200 Thespian cavalry
    200 Orchomenian cavalry
    100 Tanagran cavalry
    100 Copaean and Acraephnian cavalry
    100 Haliartan and Coronean cavalry


    2000 Megarian hoplites
    ? Opuntian Locrian peltasts
    ? Epicnemidian Locrian peltasts

    ? Opuntian Locrian cavalry
    ? Epicnemidian cavalry

    Spoiler Permanently NPC other Southern Greek States :

    Orchomenus 1200
    Psophis 300
    Cynaetha 200
    Lusi 200
    Clitor 500
    The Three Cities 200
    Pheneus 500
    Stymphalus 200

    Sicyon 1500
    Phlius 1000

    Melos 700
    Thera 700

    Spoiler Northern Greek States :

    Thessalian League/Espoir as Larissa (another player may take another city)
    League of Sixteen Thessalian Cities, grouped into four Tetrarchies of four cities each, with seven Subject states.

    Infantry (Peltasts and Hoplites)/Cavalry

    Larissa (Espoir) 2500/550
    Pherae 2000/400
    Crannon 400/350
    Scotussa 350/350

    Pharsalus 2200/500
    Euhydrium 350/350
    Phyllus 350/350
    Pirasia 350/350

    Cierium 350/350
    Thetonium 350/350
    Limnaeum 350/350
    Methylium 350/350

    Tricca 500/350
    Pharcadum 350/350
    Pellinna 350/350
    Gomphi 500/350

    Subjects and Allies:
    Perrhaebi 2000/0
    Magnetes 1500/0
    Achaei 1900/0
    Aenianes 1900/0
    Dolopes 2700/700
    Paralians 450/0
    Hiereans 450/0
    Trachinians 400/0

    League of the Chalcidians in Thrace/?
    League of Democracies
    2000 Olynthian hoplites
    800 Bottiaean hoplites
    1000 other Chalcidian hoplites
    600 Scionian hoplites (under siege)
    500 Amphipolitan hoplites
    300 Argilian hoplites
    1000 Amphipolitan peltasts

    King Perdiccas
    5000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Greek hoplites living in Macedonia
    3000 "Companion" Cavalry

    Macedonia is a poorly organised and fairly weak state, with its capital at Aegae. It has a loose claim to some sort of rule over Lyncus, Elimea and Orestis.

    King Arrhabaeus
    4000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Cavalry

    Lyncus is the largest of the kingdoms that would later become "Upper Macedonia"; the present ruling dynasty controls Lyncus itself as well as the northern district of Pelagonia.

    King Derdas
    2000 poor-quality infantry
    800 Cavalry

    King Seleucus
    2500 poor-quality infantry
    1000 Cavalry

    King [Peucestas]
    1500 poor-quality infantry
    500 Cavalry

    King [Methecon]
    3000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Cavalry

    King Tharyps
    4000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Cavalry

    King Oroedus
    1500 poor-quality infantry
    500 Cavalry

    Ruled by annually elected prostates
    4000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Cavalry

    Ruled by anually elected prostates
    4000 poor-quality infantry
    1500 Cavalry

    Spoiler Sicily :

    Sicily is ruled by a variety of different Greek states, while parts are ruled by the Carthaginians and by native peoples (the Elymi, the Sicani and the Siculi). The Greek states are divided into two main groups, those founded by the Chalcidians (from Chalcis in Euboea) and those Dorian cities founded by the Corinthians, Rhodians or Cretans. In recent years, Syracuse (a Corinthian colony) has been particularly successful in war, signally worsting native rebels and then Acragas in the 440s. Sicily has spent much of the last decade in a war between the Leontinian alliace supported by Athens and the Syracusan alliance, but finally a compromise was made. Since then, though, the balance in Sicily has been altered again by Syracusan intervention in a civil war in Leontini, resulting in Syracuse annexing the city-state at the behest of the oligarchic party in Leontini, which has now moved to Syracuse and has been granted Syracusan citizenship. Messina has also been disturbed by party strife, with the oligarchic party handing the city over to the Epizephyrian Locrians, but now the Locrians have been expelled and an independent democracy rules Messina.

    Carthage/Permanent NPC

    Native (Elymic) city
    3000 Elymic hoplites
    800 Elymic cavalry

    Syracuse/Gen. Mannerheim
    Colony of Corinth
    Dorian city
    9000 Syracusan hoplites
    1000 Syracusan cavalry

    60 Syracusan warships

    Chalcidian League in Sicily/?
    Loose alliance of Democracies
    Chalcidian cities
    3000 Messinian hoplites
    3000 Naxian hoplites
    2000 Catanian hoplites
    700 Leontinian hoplites besieged at Bricinniae

    500 Messinian cavalry
    100 Naxian cavalry
    50 Catanian cavalry

    30 Messinian warships
    5 Naxian warships
    5 Catanian warships

    Dorian City
    6000 Geloan hoplites
    700 Geloan cavalry

    8 Geloan warships

    Colony of Syracuse
    Dorian City
    5000 Camarinan hoplites
    600 Camarinan cavalry

    5 Camarinan warships

    Colony of Gela
    Dorian City
    Moderate Democracy
    7000 Acragantine hoplites
    1000 Acragantine cavalry

    10 Acragantine warships

    4500 Selinuntian hoplites
    700 Selinuntian cavalry

    10 Selinuntian warships

    4500 Himeran hoplites
    500 Himeran cavalry

    7 Himeran warships

    Spoiler States of Southern Italy :

    6000 Rhegian hoplites
    600 Rhegian cavalry

    15 Rhegian warships

    Epizephyrian Locris/?
    4000 Locrian hoplites
    2500 hoplites from colonies

    500 Locrian cavalry
    500 cavalry from colonies

    15 Locrian warships

    800 hoplites

    5000 Crotoniate hoplites
    600 Crotoniate cavalry

    10 Crotoniate warships

    Colony founded by Athenians and others
    5500 Thurian hoplites
    800 Thurian cavalry

    15 Thurian warships

    Achaean City
    3000 Metapontine hoplites
    500 Metapontine cavalry

    5 Metapontine warships

    Oligarchy of the Spartan type
    Colony founded by Spartan exiles (Parthenidae)
    6150 Tarentine hoplites
    1400 Heraclean hoplites

    1000 Tarentine hoplites garrisoning Cumae

    900 Tarentine cavalry
    200 Heraclean cavalry

    19 Tarentine warships
  8. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    I have added the map to the update post.

    I have been asked to represent armies, cities, battles, etc, and I have done so. The little black forts represent sieges that have started, ended, or continued during the turn; the crosses in the forts represent whoever is garrisoning that place at the end of the turn.

    The fatter crosses that you can see in Thrace represent armies that are not under siege.

    The crossed swords represent battles (in this case, the Battle of Heraclea (in Italy) and the Battle of the Crysserus).

    On another note, I'm kind of hoping I can update weekly; I'm a little disconcerted by the absence of diplo, when we're already a third of the way between the update and the next deadline (this Friday), and when the Boule actually meets tomorrow evening.
  9. erez87

    erez87 Lord of Random

    May 16, 2002
    Lod, Israel

    to Metapontium:
    The Lucanians have been pacified for the time being, albeit at a great loss. Now our cities must rebuild and grow again to be magnificent.

    to Thurii:
    We are insulted you did not aid us against the Lucanians.

    to forces in Cumae:
    I call for more volunteers to help colonize Cumae.

    to Cumae:
    Whatever force we have left within your walls we will leave there as colonists. As many as will volunteer.

    from Heraclea
    to Greek world, especially Dorian world:
    Our city have lost population and needs new colonists to call it home. Not many are required but enough to feel the gaps in the walls.
  10. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    To Taras
    From Thurii

    You were going on an absurd suicide mission. You couldn't possibly have won. We aren't obliged to share in your expeditions anyway.

    OOC: I also just changed your stats to account for the fact you left a garrison in Cumae.
  11. erez87

    erez87 Lord of Random

    May 16, 2002
    Lod, Israel
    to Thurii:
    Truly it was a suicide mission, yet the gods saw us worthy and granted us amazing victory over a greater force. The gods must frown upon your city for not trusting them and joining the pacification of Lucania.
  12. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

    Jun 2, 2005
    In the desert
    I apologize, Spry, would it be possible to move the boule meeting to Wednesday night? I really need some time to plan my moves, and Tuesday is a busy day for me.
  13. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    Very well. The Boule will meet on Wednesday at 11pm GMT.
  14. das

    das Regeneration In Process

    Apr 8, 2001
    Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk), Russia
    By marching to assist our enemies and the betrayers of the Peloponnesian cause and the pan-Hellene peace, the Argives have violated the terms of our peace treaty with them before the treaty's effect could even run out.

    Argos is now the greatest menace to the Peloponnesian League and all its loyal members. Sparta therefore requests that all the members of the Peloponnesian League, particularly Corinth and the Achaean League, as well as Acte, lend their forces to the war against Argos.
  15. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    From the Achaean League
    To Sparta

    We do not belong to the Peloponnesian League.

    From Sicyon, Phlius, Epidaurus, Hermione, Troezen, Halieis, Parrhasia, Orchomenus, Maenalus
    To Sparta

    Our forces will follow you as you command, provided your plans do not compromise our security or supplies.
  16. das

    das Regeneration In Process

    Apr 8, 2001
    Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk), Russia
    OOC: Bah, sleepy misreading/misremembering. :p Is my non-PL alliance with some of the Achaean cities no longer active after the peace?
  17. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    OOC: It is no longer active ipso facto, no, and at present Pellene and the others do not wish to join in your expedition.
  18. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

    Jun 2, 2005
    In the desert
    From: Alcibiades
    To: The Assembly of Athens

    It is time that the power of Nicias' alliance with the Lacedaemonians be tested. Following the immediate failure of the Lacedaemonians to vacate Amphipolis, we must put this question to them. Either the Spartans aid the Athenians in regaining Amphipolis and subduing all who oppose the reclamation of the colony, or all the terms of the Peace and the alliance founded upon it should be considered void.

    Furthermore, I propose that a second army of five thousand hoplites and fifty ships to supplement the forces already in Thracia be dispatched posthaste, to aid the forces already there in imposing the Treaty on Amphipolis, with or without the assistance of the Spartans. Thirdly, I propose that a third army of ten thousand hoplites and one hundred ships be raised to oppose the Spartan domination of Mantinea and assist the Argives if Sparta chooses first to despise the alliance and refuse our request for aid.

    Finally, I propose that in the event of a Spartan refusal to aid our recapture of Amphipolis, emissaries be sent to Argos and Elis for the purpose of forging a new alliance pact with those cities.

    We must gain the benefits of this supposed alliance with Sparta, people of Athens, if our allies they truly are.
  19. spryllino

    spryllino Deity

    Jan 13, 2010
    The Ekklesia has now met, and resolves to put the question to the Spartans. It also resolves to despatch reinforcements to Thrace according to the proposal of Alcibiades. The Ekklesia will meet again this year after a response has been received from Sparta.

    To the Spartans
    From the Athenians

    We call on you to promise that you will actively support us in reclaiming Amphipolis.
  20. das

    das Regeneration In Process

    Apr 8, 2001
    Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk), Russia
    Sparta will honour its treaty with Athens, and assist the enforcement of the peace treaty in all of Greece.

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