Stability Bitmaps

[Gem Hound]

I agree with the France vs England thing. Northern France should be Yellow to England((100 Years War)) and Southern England should be Yellow to France((Unless we put the Normans in which would suck for gameplay)).

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

Some English stability in Aquitaine and Normandy wouldn't hurt.

I strongly support this. Stability (and warmap) in Normandy, Aquitaine, and Gascony.

I want to fight the Hundred Turns War!

 

[Gem Hound]

I strongly support this. Stability (and warmap) in Normandy, Aquitaine, and Gascony.

I want to fight the Hundred Turns War!

I do too!

 

[BenZL43]

Indonesia should have historical tile on the rest of Kra (Langkasuka, Tambralinga, Chaiya, etc), southern Indochina (Indrapura & Oc Eo), and at Phillipines (Seludong)...
All Kra should be included to Thai's core area...

I want 100 turn wars too!

 

[xcrissxcrossx]

I also agree with yellow in Normandy, Gascony and Aquitaine for England.

 

[Qiu]

I also agree the idea of hundred turns war, while a weaker France might lead to a more overpower Germany, even before the Prussia spawn

 

[jammerculture]

I always assumed that some of the weird stability map effects were a result of Ryhe wanting the possibility of civs holding areas they might have held or have had an interest in conquering to allow the player to create some "what if scenarios". This is my assumption for the Russians in Cuba, the US in Nato territory, Japan on West coast of NA etc.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

I think this is long overdue for an update
now that there have long been some stability changes
to the map for several civs.

 

[artyom]

le bumb

 

[Pavel Chichikov]

WTH MONGOLIA. No wonder they always collapse after 50 turns. Make them collapse later sure, but not for taking China.

Why is Egypt contested area for the Arabs and the rest of north africa historical? I nearly always played as Arabia on vanilla but this stability map seems to be the biggest in the whole game.

Byzantium should get north Africa, the Levant & Egypt as historical area & mesopotamia as contested.
Russia gets Cuba but the whole of Eastern Europe is foreign core area?

Scotland and Wale's shouldn't be Englands core area, or foreign core area either. How many times were the isles invaded by how many people? I think foreign core areas should only apply to people's who were historically impossible for anyone to keep quiet for long & had many long and bloody guerilla wars. (Persians, Jews, Poles, Vietnamese, Spanish)

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

^:facepalm:

I don't think you understand the purpose of the stability map.

Aside from that, your suggestions don't make too much sense from both a mechanical and IRL perspective.
Why would we give such a ridiculous nerf to England? Sure, their tech rate is outrageous but their stability map is perfectly fine.
By the way, if you're reading this now Leoreth, the Mongols still keep Beijing in the event of a Chinese rebirth; I thought you had fixed that squat awhile ago.

Secondly, all of the peoples you mentioned have continually been occupied by different powers;
and were under thrall for long periods of time as well. Some periods during those occupations were peaceful;
they weren't completely rebellious and violent ALL the time.

Persians: Greeks, Arabs
Poles: Germans, Russians
Jews: Egypt, Persia, Rome, Arabs, just about everyone after that
Vietnam: China

Spain is the only arguable one and most of Iberia is already their Core anyway.

 

[Tre59]

Poles: Germans, Russians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_uprisings#Polish_uprisings

Scotland and Wale's shouldn't be Englands core area

In this mod
England= Great Britain.

Empire wasn't English. Empire was British.

 

[Pavel Chichikov]

Ok.
I'm probably one of the few people here who have practically never played any of the European civs. Do many people have strong civ preferences, exclusively play a region and have no idea of the (say) China map?
I notice France, Rome, Japan & Germany seem to be by far the most popular.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

WTH MONGOLIA. No wonder they always collapse after 50 turns. Make them collapse later sure, but not for taking China.

Why is Egypt contested area for the Arabs and the rest of north africa historical? I nearly always played as Arabia on vanilla but this stability map seems to be the biggest in the whole game.

Byzantium should get north Africa, the Levant & Egypt as historical area & mesopotamia as contested.
Russia gets Cuba but the whole of Eastern Europe is foreign core area?

Scotland and Wale's shouldn't be Englands core area, or foreign core area either. How many times were the isles invaded by how many people? I think foreign core areas should only apply to people's who were historically impossible for anyone to keep quiet for long & had many long and bloody guerilla wars. (Persians, Jews, Poles, Vietnamese, Spanish)

1. Egypt is contested because it's Egypt. More clearly, the land is listed as contested because it is in the civ Egypt's core, but there is more leniency for the land being under Arabian control, yet still less than historical because it is in the core of another civ. Same applies to Japan-K(C)orea. Maybe Aztec-Maya, but I may be wrong.

2. Scotland and Wales? First off, correct me if I'm wrong, but Wales is so close to or even in London's BFC that it would be hard to not cover it. For Scotland, on the other hand, I would like to bring up my other idea that there should be an independent Edinburgh spawn sometime to harass and restrict England a little bit.

3. You're completely missing the point of foreign core areas. Quite literally, foreign core area means the core area of another civ. Not some area with a large population that isn't represented by any civ.

Hope this clears up some stuff...

~Bair

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_uprisings#Polish_uprisings

You have a point and I am aware that Poland was a great regional power before the Deluge, as well as the amount of rebellions that occurred under occupation from foreign powers. I have to reiterate that I didn't mean that for certain peoples, periods of occupation were completely peaceful; but by the same token from your link:

Many of them occurred during the century of uprisings (1764–1864), and were, with small exceptions, all defeated.

I personally think Poland should be light green and not core for anyone (Prussia currently flips cities in the approximate Poland region) for that reason.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

And what Bair said about the stability.
That was pretty much spot on.

As for people playing specific regions.
iOnlySignIn, Fresol & myself are more of the go-to's for the East Asia region.
Read my China AAR in my signature; it's sometimes oft-linked here as well.
Although personally, I specially play civs in all regions with the exception of Africa.
I am playing France a lot nowadays because they're the most buggy and I want Leoreth to fix the bugs and issues before release.
I've recently been testing Rome because of the same issue (hence conquerors bug).
Prussia as well, because their gameplay needs some serious fixing.
Japan as well because they ran into a lot of issues with Spain (no choice Trading Company).
You're welcome to help root out bugs as well.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

Ok.
I'm probably one of the few people here who have practically never played any of the European civs. Do many people have strong civ preferences, exclusively play a region and have no idea of the (say) China map?
I notice France, Rome, Japan & Germany seem to be by far the most popular.

I prefer Japan, Khmer, Maya, Mali, England, Ethiopia, and Phoenicia. EDIT: I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT KOREA!!!!! Weird huh?

[/UNRELATED]Speaking of which, I just had a game as Phoenicia where I was teching ridiculously fast due to TGL, ToA, UB, UP, and several factors combined, including early trade with China due to an Egyptian canal city... Everything just went right huh? [/UNRELATED]

But yeah, I mainly don't play as militarily as some others. I just prefer to quietly build and grow an economy.

Read my China AAR in my signature; it's sometimes oft-linked here as well.
Although personally, I specially play civs in all regions with the exception of Africa.

Your AAR taught me to use sea ponies effectively . And really, try out the African civs, they can be really fun and challenging to play.

 

[Tre59]

You have a point and I am aware that Poland was a great regional power before the Deluge, as well as the amount of rebellions that occurred under occupation from foreign powers. I have to reiterate that I didn't mean that for certain peoples, periods of occupation were completely peaceful; but by the same token from your link: .

Poland was under occupation 1772 (First Partition of Poland) - 1918 (Independence).
Polish did uprising once in 20-40 years.
I think it's important part of history this region.

I personally think Poland should be light green and not core for anyone

I agree with you.

 

[Tomorrow's Dawn]

I prefer Japan, Khmer, Maya, Mali, England, Ethiopia, and Phoenicia. Weird huh?

I prefer China, Ottomans, France, Arabia, Russia, Persia, Maya & Vikings.
Again, more of the recent ones I've been playing are to stamp out bugs.

The only one I have in common with you is Maya.
Although I'm not opposed to playing Japan & England.

Your AAR taught me to use sea ponies effectively . And really, try out the African civs, they can be really fun and challenging to play.

Tried Ethiopia once, and it was difficult.
It might be more fun than Mali though, I'll give it that.

 

[Leoreth]

Just a quick note to avoid confusion: foreign core means another civ has its core there (duh), contested means it's historical for you but another civ has its core there. This is why Egypt is contested for Arabia. It has nothing to do with the civilization itself which of its areas fall into these categories.

That's all explained in the Concepts section of the civilopedia by the way.