Strange Stability maps

[Leoreth]

That's exactly what I meant with my post above: parts of Manchuria are in Mongolia's core, so it can't be light green. Yellow only means "like light green, but in a foreign core".

 

[Cosmos1985]

History has shown that the resistance to German rule during WW2 was much bigger in Russia and France than in Scandinavia - I suppose this could justify the yellow territories in Scandinavia - please note that Norway/Denmark as the Viking heartland is red for the Germans and in fact the Germans faced some substantial civil resistance in Denmark during WW2

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So by and large the German stability map is a very neat conclusion of German history, very well thought of and rich in detail.

I don't mean to start a long debate about this, but I really have to comment on the first part: Norway fought fiercly against the Germans, yeah, but Denmark surrendered instantly, and our government encouraged cooperation with the occupying forces and told the people that they should accept the situation and not make quarrel of any kind. And we only had any meaningfull civil resistance after the tide of war turned, and it looked like the Germans would lose. And even then, it was quite the minority who really did anything. So I'd say it's a bit more nuanced than that. Only thing Denmark really can be proud of during the war, was the rescuing of the Jews, most of the Danish ones were shipped to Sweden, and got through the war unharmed - and even that is not that black and white, as they were charged enormous sums by the people helping them, in some of the cases

A lot of the other stuff you're saying makes perfect sense, and I think the German stability map is quite fine and meaningfull, but I don't agree that they should have any yellow in Scandinavia. Sure, ethnically speaking scandinavians were originally germanic, but by that logic Vikings should get yellow in all Anglosaxon territory as well, one could even make a claim for Iberia and other areas the Goths went, and well Germanys stability map by and large should be much bigger than it is. If we count that as a good enough reason to get stability, there really is big work to be done, and a lot of justificed enlargement of the stability maps coming up.

But all in all I think we can all agree that most of the stability maps are a bit random, a mix between historical borders, immigration, other ethnical ties, colonies, vassal states, gameplay reasons, and, well, roll of the dice

 

[Rod]

@Cosmos1985
I also don't want to start a debate, but I was still astounded by your statement.

We Germans actually consider the Danish to have quite effectively opposed us Germans during WW2, not militarily, but in terms of civil resistance even while your own government was joining the German cause.

Mainly of course by rescuing the Jews (no small feat in those dark times!). But there was also considerably less co-operation than in other countries. Just compare the situation in Denmark with the situation in Sweden or in Slovakia or Hungary or Romania for that matter. These latter countries were even willingly allied with Germany. Till the end of the war Germany had to keep quite a substantial occupation force in Denmark (given the small population). These troops were missing in Eastern Europe and might have prolonged German rule in those countries.
Maybe one day the Polish will erect some memorial for all the Danish, Dutch, French people who engaged in civil resistance against Germany and hence hampered its war efforts. Seriously no small feat given the ruthless efficiency of the German Gestapo in rooting out all civil resistance.

 

[rfcfanatic]

Where could I find stability maps for Mali, Ethiopia and Carthage?

 

[skyclad]

http://web.archive.org/web/20100728...hye's_and_Fall_of_Civilization_stability_maps there you go

 

[rfcfanatic]

Thanks

 

[awesome]

I don't think that the provinces the mongols controlled were very stable, the empire expanded quickly, and collapsed less than a few centuries afterwards. The AI can expand quickly, become unstable, and collapse. Far more realistic than a mongol empire that slowly expands and become large in the 18th or 19th century.

old post, but this is partly why i declare war on mongolia when i play as arabia.

 

[Airrifle48942]

Even though I am very interested in history, I cannot find out all of the stability maps 100 %, without search on the civilizations history.
But some stability maps did I find very strange and/or funny!


America
Random places in Europe are yellow, and some of Yugoslavia is light green. I maybe understand Yugoslavia, because of the war in 1990's. But then Iraq and Afghanistan also have to be light green, concerning to the current wars.
And why is the island between Japan and Taiwan light green?
Yellow Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea neither make sense for me.

France at Brazil and Australia?

Japan in Vancouver?

Rome in the New World
Light green zones at Buenos Aires, Halifax and Quebec territory.

Light green Cuba for Russia!

VIKINGS! - in Italy...

And finally, the strangest one, Germany
I understand Namibia is light green, since Germany have a colony there.
But some of West Germany is red.
Random yellow and light green areas in Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas and a bit of Canada.
Venezuela also light green.
And why are Sweden and and a half Italy yellow?
Does not makes sense for me!

France is in Brazil because there was known to be the war which the Portuguese won in the Brazilian region to gain this area.
France is in Australia because I heard they had some settlements set over there.

West Germany is red to make room for the Dutch.

Rome isn't always to do with the Ancient, remember the game goes to Renaissance, it is like saying Old England in the New World.

Japan and Taiwan island is possibly something to do with WWII.

I wanted to ask why Russia wasn't in the Hawaiian region (E.g. Fort Elizabeth).

 

[Airrifle48942]

If you think that's strange, I was Japan and settled in Australia in a place called 'Oumu no Dochi' which I think is 'Land of Parrots'.

 

[Airrifle48942]

Oh, and I also wonder why the Mongolians are so small, they had the 2nd biggest empire you know...

 

[Leoreth]

And it wasn't exactly stable.

 

[Airrifle48942]

Even though I am very interested in history, I cannot find out all of the stability maps 100 %, without search on the civilizations history.
But some stability maps did I find very strange and/or funny!


America
Random places in Europe are yellow, and some of Yugoslavia is light green. I maybe understand Yugoslavia, because of the war in 1990's. But then Iraq and Afghanistan also have to be light green, concerning to the current wars.
And why is the island between Japan and Taiwan light green?
Yellow Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea neither make sense for me.

France at Brazil and Australia?

Japan in Vancouver?

Rome in the New World
Light green zones at Buenos Aires, Halifax and Quebec territory.

Light green Cuba for Russia!

VIKINGS! - in Italy...

And finally, the strangest one, Germany
I understand Namibia is light green, since Germany have a colony there.
But some of West Germany is red.
Random yellow and light green areas in Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas and a bit of Canada.
Venezuela also light green.
And why are Sweden and and a half Italy yellow?
Does not makes sense for me!

Light Sweden for Germany is WWII related.

Yellow Italy is also for WWII or Holy Rome.

 

[Airrifle48942]

And it wasn't exactly stable.

I see how it works now, I expanded the Mongolian Empire and owned all of China, Khmer, India and Arabia and Moscow and very very close Russia and the Stability was high.

 

[Leoreth]

Light Sweden for Germany is WWII related.

Sweden was neutral in WW2 (although essentially bullied into supplying Germany with resources). Why is it yellow but Norway isn't, even though it was actually occupied?

 

[Lone Wolf]

Probably a relict of Vanilla when there were no Vikings/Scandinavia.

 

[Daedwartin]

Sweden was neutral in WW2 (although essentially bullied into supplying Germany with resources). Why is it yellow but Norway isn't, even though it was actually occupied?

Probably because it was occupied. Not exactly a good way to endear yourself to those you conquer.

 

[Leoreth]

But how does stability in Sweden follow from that?

 

[Jusos2108]

Probably because Sweden wasn't bullied into supplying Germany; they were happy to do supply them. There was also a strong pro-Germany movement in Sweden; a matter that the Swedes don't really want to talk about, even nowadays.

 

[Airrifle48942]

Leoreth, I also want to know if Rome is in the New World as Italy, why don't they own some of Africa as in the occupation of Somalia etc.

 

[Leoreth]

I can't explain Rhye's reasoning. The Roman stability in the New World seems to be completely arbitrary.