Successful Communism

[Tommy Vercetti]

I am not trolling, this is my honest opinion. I HATE Communism.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I am not trolling, this is my honest opinion. I HATE Communism.

So if you're not just trolling for lulz, then

Nothing wrong with exploiting workers. I have no problem profiting at the expense of others. You have to do what you have to do to prosper.

are you a Nazi? This seems to be a very fascist way of thinking.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

So if you're not just trolling for lulz, then



are you a Nazi? This seems to be a very fascist way of thinking.

I am not a Nazi. I am a right wing extremist though.

 

[nonconformist]

The soviet union failing was and is America's biggest tragedy.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I am not a Nazi. I am a right wing extremist though.

But you do realize that is a Nazi way of thinking, right? That all people are expendable in the name of advancement and such.

The soviet union failing was and is America's biggest tragedy.

Agreed.

 

[Traitorfish]

are you a Nazi? This seems to be a very fascist way of thinking.

Well, traditionally, fascism advocates the primacy of the state, nation or ethnic group (the various strands differ), and generally frown on the sort of individualism/egoism expressed by Tommy Vercetti. Right-fascist movements such as the Hitlerite Nazis and the Italian Fascists were generally ambivalent to class struggle, although they tended to view themselves as transitional states, while left-fascist movements such as the Strasserite Nazis and most European neo-Nazi movements tend to see some form of anti-capitalism as integral to their ideology, and some even actively preach class war as a fundamental principal of fascism, going so far as to appropriate certain elements of Marxism. In practice, this tends to get lost beneath more reactionary cultural concerns, further overshadowed by the fact that neo-Nazism is frequently obscured by the right-fascism and reactionary authoritarianism of more prominent middle-class movements.

I think this may be the point of confusion...

But you do realize that is a Nazi way of thinking, right? That all people are expendable in the name of advancement and such.

This is not inaccurate, but fascist ideology dictates that the advancement must be on behalf of the state, nation or "race", rather than on behalf of any one individual. Fascism is, culturally and politically, an extremely collectivistic ideology, with a strong groupthink mentality and a fanatical dedication to an often-transcendent "higher" cause; selfish individualism is, as I said, highly discouraged.

 

[GenMarshall]

Come on CivG

It's known as cynical sarcasm

I am not a Nazi. I am a right wing extremist though.

You do think like a Nazi *DING* GODWIN'S LAW!!!! *DING*

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

It's known as cynical sarcasm


You do think like a Nazi *DING* GODWIN'S LAW!!!! *DING*

I am not an anti-semite,so I am NOT a Nazi.

 

[Traitorfish]

I am not an anti-semite,so I am NOT a Nazi.

Anti-semitism is actually pretty peripheral to the ideological theory of Nazism, it was merely disproportionately apparent in practice. What distinguishes Nazism from vanilla Fascism is, first and foremost, it's adherence to an ethnic or "racial" nation-state, rather than a cultural or civic one, inevitably occupying a position of ethnic separatism and, more often than not, ethnic supremacism. Anti-semitism is essentially an expression of this underlying drive, prominent because Jews were both a traditional victim and a convenient scapegoat, rather than because their persecution was a cornerstone of Nazi ideology.

 

[GenMarshall]

I am not an anti-semite,so I am NOT a Nazi.

But you are dressed as one (eg: holding extreme right wing views)

 

[Traitorfish]

But you are dressed as one (eg: holding extreme right wing views)

Overly simplistic; Nazism is a particular strain of Fascism, a revolutionary form of authoritarian ultranationalism, and cannot be equated to any and all far-right positions. The left-right axis is an archaic myth, and utterly useless as an analytical tool outside of a traditionalistic two-party system, and, even then, utterly contextual.

 

[civver_764]

I love how so many people mock and hate communism without having the slightest idea of what it is.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Well, traditionally, fascism advocates the primacy of the state, nation or ethnic group (the various strands differ), and generally frown on the sort of individualism/egoism expressed by Tommy Vercetti. Right-fascist movements such as the Hitlerite Nazis and the Italian Fascists were generally ambivalent to class struggle, although they tended to view themselves as transitional states, while left-fascist movements such as the Strasserite Nazis and most European neo-Nazi movements tend to see some form of anti-capitalism as integral to their ideology, and some even actively preach class war as a fundamental principal of fascism, going so far as to appropriate certain elements of Marxism. In practice, this tends to get lost beneath more reactionary cultural concerns, further overshadowed by the fact that neo-Nazism is frequently obscured by the right-fascism and reactionary authoritarianism of more prominent middle-class movements.

I think this may be the point of confusion...

This is not inaccurate, but fascist ideology dictates that the advancement must be on behalf of the state, nation or "race", rather than on behalf of any one individual. Fascism is, culturally and politically, an extremely collectivistic ideology, with a strong groupthink mentality and a fanatical dedication to an often-transcendent "higher" cause; selfish individualism is, as I said, highly discouraged.

Doesn't that still kinda go along with the idea that the individual is expendable, as long as the group advances?

 

[Merkinball]

Err, right. The Capitalism that has tripped on it's feet that started this whole Great Recession mess, continues to exploit workers, and keeps on seeing the unemployed as an invisible pool?

I'll take Socialism any time of the day over capitalism.

You'll take socialism over capitalism because you have no value for freedom or individual rights and you view it as an easy ride. If you don't want to be "exploited" then go out and get some skills and compete equitably against those evil "exploiters." Stop sheepishly relying on others to support you if you don't like it.

 

[civver_764]

You'll take socialism over capitalism because you have no value for freedom or individual rights and you view it as an easy ride. If you don't want to be "exploited" then go out and get some skills and compete equitably against those evil "exploiters." Stop sheepishly relying on others to support you if you don't like it.

Honest question here: What extra freedoms does capitalism offer?

 

[Jabarto]

If you don't want to be "exploited" then go out and get some skills and compete equitably against those evil "exploiters."

What if they don't have the money to learn an entirely new skillset? Education isn't cheap you know.

 

[Tommy Vercetti]

What if they don't have the money to learn an entirely new skillset? Education isn't cheap you know.

If thats the case then it sucks to be you. I am not going to give up my individualism to be part of a human herd of sheep.

 

[Behind The Mask]

If thats the case then it sucks to be you. I am not going to give up my individualism to be part of a human herd of sheep.

You wouldn't believe how many people say that exact same thing

Its all the same really; just different pastures.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

If thats the case then it sucks to be you. I am not going to give up my individualism to be part of a human herd of sheep.

I suppose you won't complain when the masses ritually remove your head from your shoulders. Sucks to be you and whatnot.

 

[MilesGregarius]

You'll take socialism over capitalism because you have no value for freedom or individual rights and you view it as an easy ride. If you don't want to be "exploited" then go out and get some skills and compete equitably against those evil "exploiters." Stop sheepishly relying on others to support you if you don't like it.

Honest question here: What extra freedoms does capitalism offer?

The freedom to dream of shafting everyone else and rant about the evils of government bureaucracy while getting raped by corporate bureaucracies.