Tancredo: If attacked, bomb Mecca!

No, but the Pakistanis definitely do, and arguably some other predominantly Muslim neighbors also do, and the Saudis have quite a bit of leverage in that chunk of the world resting under their sand and in their bank accounts.

Errr. How is Pakistan going to reach the target? I dont think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach Israel....

Having a nuke isnt quite enough....you have to get it to your target as well....

I just looked this up and it would appear that Israel is about twice the range of Pakistans longest range strategic missile.
 
Errr. How is Pakistan going to reach the target? I dont think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach Israel....

Having a nuke isnt quite enough....you have to get it to your target as well....

I just looked this up and it would appear that Israel is about twice the range of Pakistans longest range strategic missile.
What it sounded like ID was saying was that the warhead would be put in a cargo ship and sent out to Tel Aviv or wherever with the warhead rigged to explode via pager/cell phone/whatever.

Whether Pakistan could actually manage to have that happen is another story.
 
Errr. How is Pakistan going to reach the target? I dont think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach Israel....

Having a nuke isnt quite enough....you have to get it to your target as well....

I just looked this up and it would appear that Israel is about twice the range of Pakistans longest range strategic missile.

What it sounded like ID was saying was that the warhead would be put in a cargo ship and sent out to Tel Aviv or wherever with the warhead rigged to explode via pager/cell phone/whatever.

Whether Pakistan could actually manage to have that happen is another story.

Right. How are terrorists going to reach the target? I don't think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach New York City....
 
They could borrow that Iraqi crop duster that would spread anthrax and the Apocalypse to US soil.
 
Right. How are terrorists going to reach the target? I don't think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach New York City....

Well, you seem to forget that now our baggage inspectors check passengers for nuclear warheads.

Take that. ;)
 
Yes, but you're allowed to carry every other weapon known to man into your check luggage, so says the TSA.

Which isn't good considering I've been marked for death for over two pages. :lol:
 
No, I'd tell them that if they nuke NYC, we destroy Mecca.
Oh that's cool then.

"Yeah! If you destroy mecca we will nuke MYC!"
"Oh yeah?! If you nuke NYC we will destroy Mecca!"
"Oh yeah! If you destroy ...."
etc.

I remember this kind of politics from 25 years ago. I'm glad you discovered rudimentary diplomacy. This is a major breakthrough :)
 
as if america cares about israel. :lol:

I care about Israel.

No need for John HSOG to reply. He already posted this (presumably The Yankee is a muslim, correct?).

No, McFly, TheYankee lives in NYC and in our hypothetical situation, NYC was destroyed by a nuclear terrorist attack.

Ah OK then.

At least Hitler only managed to kill 6 million where John is advocating genocide against a billion. So I don't think comparing to Hitler is in the same league really.

Hitler did it for no other reason that political and social unity. I would do it to stop and prevent the genocide of my countrymen. Again, if I have the choice of wiping out Islam or having my country wiped out, guess which one I am going to choose.

Your average dumb air-dropped gravity bomb would fit in your standard shipping container, right? With room enough to modify the fuse to fire on timer or pager call rather than altimeter?

To start, no. The type of gravity bombs that Pakistan likely has have to be armed with a trigger that is perishable. Nuclear weapons use several varieties of triggers, but all of them have a definite shelf life. Only the more advanced nations such as the United States, Russia, France, and the United Kingdom have the technology to produce these triggers, so if a nuke were to be used, it would have to come from one of these nations if it were to travel in a container ship. The best that they could do without it is produce a dirty bomb. Even so, IIRC, more than 90 percent of our ports screen for radioactive cargo.

Beyond that, I said that whatever the source of the weapons of mass destruction that were used on the US as well as Pakistan's nuclear arsenal would be attacked and destroyed. Furthermore, the strengthened border security measures that I would take and the fact that we wouldn't trade with Pakistan in the event of a major WMD terrorist attack would negate this threat.

Was it? You said you are willing to commit genocide against the Muslims. Now answer the question. Do you also advocate in that situation arresting and killing Muslims who are American citizens?


At this point, within our hypothetical situation, it would not be necessary to do anything more than confine Muslims and deport those who are not citizens. Beyond that, I don't think that executing them would be necessary. Long-term confinement or, ultimately, deportation may become necessary, but killing them is not necessary.

Errr. How is Pakistan going to reach the target? I dont think they have a delivery vehicle with the range to reach Israel....

Having a nuke isnt quite enough....you have to get it to your target as well....

I just looked this up and it would appear that Israel is about twice the range of Pakistans longest range strategic missile.

There are rumors that Israel is either in the process of developing or has developed the Jericho 3 missile, an intercontinental version of the Jericho 2, with enough of a range (4,800 Km / 3,000 Miles) to hit targets throughout Europe and the western half of Russia.

Pakistan, on the other hand, has been working on some missiles, but I am thus far not aware of any successful test with a dummy nuclear warhead attached. I am pretty sure that they can only use conventional warheads.
 
So let me get this straight, John HSOG, you believe that IF there is a nuclear/biological/chemical weapon terrorist attack (by an extremist Islamic group) on the US, then that means the entire Islamic world is united against us and every Muslim is our enemy? Hence we should bomb Mecca/Medina and imprison or expel all Muslims in our nation?

-Drachasor
 
Hitler did it for no other reason that political and social unity. I would do it to stop and prevent the genocide of my countrymen. Again, if I have the choice of wiping out Islam or having my country wiped out, guess which one I am going to choose.
Only if you disbelieve their ideology and try instead to rationalise what they did by some other standard, which might make more sense to us anti-Nazis.

If you go by the world-view of a believing Nazi however, it's rather:
if I have the choice of wiping out the Jews or having my country wiped out, guess which one I am going to choose.

Absolute convictions about the necessity of killing entire, large groups of people in self-defense (especially when there isn't a credible threat) is a very worrying idea, regardless who holds it.

You'd better be damn right on something like this, because if it turns out you were wrong...

And at present the US is under threat from "some Muslims", which some people in the US seem to want to interpret as being under threat from "all Muslims". If enough people go along with something like that, sure the US can end up nuking Mecca.

Except it would be an "overreaction" up there right alongside the way in which the Holocaust was an "overreaction".
 
20 pages of replies to a troll thread? Why do some of you take this bait? I think that's a more legitimate question at this point.

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Yes, but you're allowed to carry every other weapon known to man into your check luggage, so says the TSA.

Which isn't good considering I've been marked for death for over two pages. :lol:

Canadian air regulations specify that one may not bring catapults into either the checkin luggage or carryon luggage.
 
So let me get this straight, John HSOG, you believe that IF there is a nuclear/biological/chemical weapon terrorist attack (by an extremist Islamic group) on the US, then that means the entire Islamic world is united against us and every Muslim is our enemy? Hence we should bomb Mecca/Medina and imprison or expel all Muslims in our nation?

-Drachasor

If I have to kill several hundred million sympathetic, but otherwise innocent civilians in order to get to the few millions that are terrorists and are sending WMD to destroy our cities, then consider it done. That is what I am saying.

Just like when terrorists are holed up in some building and they bring women and children as human shields so that the Israeli Defense Forces don't bomb them. I would bomb them.
 
If I have to kill several hundred million sympathetic, but otherwise innocent civilians in order to get to the few millions that are terrorists and are sending WMD to destroy our cities, then consider it done. That is what I am saying.

Just like when terrorists are holed up in some building and they bring women and children as human shields so that the Israeli Defense Forces don't bomb them. I would bomb them.

:lol: I like how your entire argument rests on what side of the argument you are on;

"If Al Queda have to kill several hundred million sympathetic, but otherwise innocent civilians in order to get to the few millions that are American Imperialists and are sending American Troops to destroy our cities, then consider it done. That is what I am saying."

And lets be honest here John, you arent the one making the decision, you're the one getting a hard on for being a tough guy without any actual tough guy backround. I laugh every time i see some right wing blowhard talk about nuking an enemy when they, themselves, would be too frightened and cowardly to actually confront the enemy, and would even attack someone that wasnt the enemy to soothe their egos.

You want to fight a coward's war with cowards, which makes you no better than the coward. You want to throw away all that the United States stands for in humanity, freedom, and liberty to be tough guy and try and make yourself safer.

Consider all the angles john, before you go around being rambo with a nuke.
 
Absolute convictions about the necessity of killing entire, large groups of people in self-defense (especially when there isn't a credible threat) is a very worrying idea, regardless who holds it.

You'd better be damn right on something like this, because if it turns out you were wrong...

And at present the US is under threat from "some Muslims", which some people in the US seem to want to interpret as being under threat from "all Muslims". If enough people go along with something like that, sure the US can end up nuking Mecca.

Except it would be an "overreaction" up there right alongside the way in which the Holocaust was an "overreaction".

Again, I am talking about things that I'd have done in the aftermath of a nuclear, chemical, biological terrorist attack on a major city killing tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people.


at present the US is under threat from "some Muslims"

What do "some Muslims" amount to in numbers?

You know, if Gangrene gets bad enough, they'll cut off entire limbs to stop it from spreading. If Breast Cancer is bad enough, they'll cut off the breast to stop it from spreading. They'll even cut off the other breast, at times, to prevent cancer from sprouting there, too. When a significant segment of the Muslim world have become terrorists and mass murders and the nukes start going off and we still can't tell the non-terrorists apart from the terrorists, then I go with the old adage, "Kill them all. Let God sort them out."

Again, if there no other way to prevent my fellow citizens from being killed by the several hundred thousand at a time other than the destroy the Islamic World, I will be the first person lined up to kill the fudgers.
 
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