Tehran, we have a problem...

[hobbsyoyo]

There is no N for Nuclear in the acronym ICBM, fwiw.

 

[warpus]

America should send up a manned space ship at the same time and time it so that when Ahmadinejad looks out his window all he'll see is another window and a big white American butt.

or black

 

[Formaldehyde]

There is no N for Nuclear in the acronym ICBM, fwiw.

I'm sure much the world lives in fear of a 1000 pound conventional bomb suddenly arriving from half a world away. After all, that is far more efficient than renting a subcompact car and using its trunk to accomplish the same thing.

 

[FriendlyFire]

America should send up a manned space ship at the same time and time it so that when Ahmadinejad looks out his window all he'll see is another window and a big white American butt.
or black

Obama ?

 

[Formaldehyde]

It could be a Top Gun moment to end all others.

 

[Berzerker]

oh, now i get it

i was gonna suggest a big white butt plastered against the window illuminated by the sun

 

[ace99]

NASA should be disbanded and space flight banned. If God wanted humans to go into space he would have created us with rockets instead of legs.

 

[NickyJ]

America should send up a manned space ship at the same time and time it so that when Ahmadinejad looks out his window all he'll see is another window and a big white American butt.

or black

I've heard of "mooning", but this takes it to a whole new level.

 

[Ajidica]

The only reason the USSR didn't fire any missiles is that they knew they would be the target of just as many missiles.

No, the USSR didn't fire off any of their ICBM's because they had no need to. No conflict they were involved in escalated to that level.
Despite whatever Cold Warrior nonsense you have picked up from bad pop history the Soviet leadership had no desire to end the world.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I'm sure much the world lives in fear of a 1000 pound conventional bomb suddenly arriving from half a world away. After all, that is far more efficient than renting a subcompact car and using its trunk to accomplish the same thing.

Which is an excellent argument in favor of the likelihood that they are developing an atomic bomb.

Not to mention that many countries, including Israel, do in fact fear conventially equipped theater-ranged or IRBMs of the kind that rained down on them in Gulf War I.

 

[Neomega]

The technology is the same technology of making an ICBM with a nuke on it. That's what the space race was about too, really, and why Sputnik made so many westerners crap bricks.

It also made them crap bricks when a demolished communist country beat the untouched capitalist country in space technology.

 

[ace99]

It also made them crap bricks when a demolished communist country beat the untouched capitalist country in space technology.

The Soviet Union wasn't exactly in ruins from World War II in 1957. On account of it being 12 years later and all....in fact the late 50's and early 60's the Soviet Union was undergoing one of its highest periods of economic growth unrivaled since the NEP Era if I'm not mistaken.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

And that they stripped massive amounts of capital, both intellectual and physical, from the areas they conquered to finance their ICBM project - which was also their satellite project.

 

[Neomega]

The Soviet Union wasn't exactly in ruins from World War II in 1957. On account of it being 12 years later and all....in fact the late 50's and early 60's the Soviet Union was undergoing one of its highest periods of economic growth unrivaled since the NEP Era if I'm not mistaken.

The United States wasn't in ruins in 1945, much less 1957.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Which is an excellent argument in favor of the likelihood that they are developing an atomic bomb.

Who could possibly blame them if they are? But there is no actual proof despite constant monitoring by acknowledged experts in that regard.

Not to mention that many countries, including Israel, do in fact fear conventially equipped theater-ranged or IRBMs of the kind that rained down on them in Gulf War I.

Just because they happen to fear others doing the same to them that they do to those with no effective military at all, and despite a radical difference in the number actually hurt, it is hardly a justification to pay any attention at all to incessant fear mongering and paranoia on their part.

What is occurring now with Iran is quite similar to what occurred during the so-called Cold War. It is being blown all out of proportion for quite obvious political reasons.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The United States wasn't in ruins in 1945, much less 1957.

And we also had our own cadre of German scientists. How's that complexity for your oversimplistic little view on the space race?

The big shock came more from the fact that average Joe didn't know anything about any rocket program, foreign or domestic. Our rockets weren't actually behind there's but the public didn't know anything about our rockets or there's so the satellite wasn't viewed as a small step along a natural progression, it was seen as A REALLY BIG DEAL.

Who could possibly blame them if they are? But there is no actual proof despite constant monitoring by acknowledged experts in that regard.

Yes, there is a lack of definative proof. That however doesn't give you license to mischaracterize whatever facts (mythical, non-existent, no secret bases, etc) you feel like to prove your point.

Just because they happen to fear others doing the same to them that they do to those with no effective military at all, and despite a radical difference in the number actually hurt, it is hardly a justification to pay any attention at all to incessant fear mongering and paranoia on their part.

I am not going to debate you on fear mongering or whether or not Israel is justified in anything. That's not what I was talking about and I feel like everytime I've made a point, you just make a point that's neither here nor there.

I simply was correcting your misconception about the fear value of a conventionally equipped missile.

I also pointed out that despite your insistence that the Iranians aren't making a bomb/wouldn't make a bomb, it would make perfectly rational sense for them to make one even if only to bolster their defenses against attack. Their missiles are innacurate, nukes can help fix that problem.

What is occurring now with Iran is quite similar to what occurred during the so-called Cold War. It is being blown all out of proportion for quite obvious political reasons.

'So-called' Cold War? Really?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yes, there is a lack of definative proof. That however doesn't give you license to mischaracterize whatever facts (mythical, non-existent, no secret bases, etc) you feel like to prove your point.

Until there is any "proof" at all, much less "definitive proof", it is indeed quite mythical.

And you are deliberately mischaracterizing my own views about "no secret bases" which I have already made quite clear. They definitely had a few bases which we did not know the exact locations, but there was no vast secret air force waiting to first strike the US, or vast numbers of missile silos, as the warmongers claimed there was because they knew it couldn't be disproved without overflights.

I simply was correcting your misconception about the fear value of a conventionally equipped missile.

You mean besides the obvious fact there really is not much "fear value" at all with SCUDs carrying conventional warheads? That even non-guided 2000 lb bombs delivered by a fighter bomber like the IDF frequently uses to attack civilian Palestinians known to be in the well-known blast radius have far more "fear" associated with them than a SCUD does? That nearly all of them fell harmlessly into non-populated areas because they were so inaccurate?

I also pointed out that despite your insistence that the Iranians aren't making a bomb/wouldn't make a bomb, it would make perfectly rational sense for them to make one even if only to bolster their defenses against attack. Their missiles are innacurate, nukes can help fix that problem.

Do you really think Iran would possibly ever use nuclear weapons when they knew what would occur as a direct result? Do you really think they are that stupid?

'So-called' Cold War? Really?

It was indeed largely a myth based on incessant fear mongering and paranoia with no real basis in fact. Even your statement about how satellites were actually weapons of peace confirms the obviousness of this, much less Eisenhower's own remarks. Once the fact became well known of their capabilities and operations, the fears associated with the so-called Cold War almost completely disappeared until Reagan became president and deliberately ratcheted up the fear and paranoia again, which nearly caused another global thermonuclear war.

The Soviets were never really interested in first-striking the US because they didn't really even have that capability without facing near total destruction themselves, while they certainly had reason to believe the opposite might occur.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Apparently the Monkey launched into space ... never made it back alive.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Once he gets told that you can't wear a cardigan in space, I predict he will quit.

 

[r16]

elections are in 4 months time , he has lost the support of Clergy , one of his ministers either got kicked out of Goverment or was arrested and a chief opponent seems to be the Speaker of the Parliament , Laricani who used to conduct talks to defend the Iranian right to have nuclear weapons . He has to look cool , right ? Ergo the Stealth fighter mock-up and Space travel . Ahmedinejad still has to do much to match Berlusconi , just saying .