If a state wants to enforce voter id, it should provide a free photo id upon registration to vote.
Texas Man Prevented from Committing Voter Fraud
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Of course not, it's just appropriately laundered and indirectly applied!
You want to talk about a weak argument, this is it. The voter still has to pay the fee, just to a different agency.
Fun side fact for the readers, the poll tax that was ruled unconstitutional cost around $10 in current dollars, and the filing fees for appropriate IDs sometimes cost twice that.
No it shouldn't because it is not a government-issued ID. A college ID basically has the same status as an employee badge, i.e. it means nothing outside of the organization that issued it. What is so wrong with only accepting government-issued IDs?
No they wouldn't. But that is because TSA regulations specifically state what types of IDs are valid. So if it's not on their list, it isn't valid. And I believe only driver's licenses, state-issued ID cards, military IDs, and passports are the only acceptable forms of ID.
93 years olds who are obviously who they say they are being refused their right to vote.
To get a college id or an employee badge, you have to prove who you are to the college or the employer - so I do not see the problem with either form of id when you are just trying to put a picture with a registration - a registration that required you to prove who you were to obtain it.
So now that you have admitted that Texas is allowing broader ID than the TSA, why not expand the allowable ID a bit more. Could it be that the GOP-controlled Texas legislator prefers giving gun owners and veterans more chances to avoid vote suppression than giving such extra chances to college students?
So what, the state government is supposed to just eat the cost of producing millions of IDs for its residents? Plus saying it is an indirect poll tax means just about any money you give to the government can be indirectly called a poll tax. "Oh I have to pay the government to maintain the roads I need to get to the polling station. POLL TAX!!!!" "The government charges the gas stations a gas tax which drives up the price of fuel needed for my car to drive to the polling station. POLL TAX!!!" You see how ridiculous that sounds?
Yes, if it wants to enforce voter id laws.
Well you said a college student has to prove who they are to get that college ID right? Well why don't they just use the ID they used to get their college ID? If it is expired, why did they let it expire? Seriously, what responsible person allows any form of official ID to go over 60 days expired? I think Texas is actually being very generous in that regard.
I also find it interesting that other people who were turned away were offered a provisional ballot, yet refused and instead decide to go cry foul to the poll monitors. So instead of taking the opportunity to still exercise their right to vote despite being in non-compliance with the law, they thought it better to refuse and then lie to the poll monitors by saying they weren't allowed to vote at all.
A provisional ballot generally requires a return to the polling station for the vote to count.
And you do not necessarily need a photo id to obtain a college id - you just have to provide all sorts of other information and documentation to prove who you are. There is no good reason for a state to refuse to accept a photo id issued by one of its universities.
How do you receive a State ID or a Driver's License? You do not have to provide photo ID to obtain one. That puts them on par with a college id.
And you do not necessarily need a photo id to obtain a college id - you just have to provide all sorts of other information and documentation to prove who you are. There is no good reason for a state to refuse to accept a photo id issued by one of its universities.
How do you receive a State ID or a Driver's License? You do not have to provide photo ID to obtain one. That puts them on par with a college id.
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In other words, what you said at first:
Isn't really relevant at all.
He provided some sort of proof that he was who he said. No one involved had the least doubt that he was who he said. Since his voter registration process involved verifying his eligibility the fact that his name was on the rolls means that he is indeed eligible to vote in that district.
So your question; "what is the problem with X?" is accurately answered by "apparently X isn't good enough."
Now you have moved on to the real stipulation..."what has this guy who can't drive been doing for the past however many years that he didn't pay the DMV fees like I have had to do?"
So screw him, don't let him vote.Bottom line, you favor a poll tax and your first question was just blowing smoke.
Indeed, and thank you. From a 2012 thread...
However, I am reassured that Obama has come out and said these Voter ID laws are not keeping people from voting.
Obama: Apathy, not Voter ID, keeps minorities from polls
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If it's a cornish hen it only allows you to vote in Cornwall, not Texas.
They still take cornish hens for payment when you are getting an ID to cover voting on behalf a dead guy (and for a dead guy in Missouri sometimes). It is getting expensive to be as patriotic as I am based on the number of votes I cast.
Wrong again. The fundamental difference between a state ID and a college ID is who issued the ID. What about that are you not getting? In the eyes of the government, any ID not specifically issued by a government agency (and a college is not a government agency, even if it is state-run) is not a valid ID and I don't disagree with that philosophy at all.
Yes. Take it out of the general revenues.
There's a big difference between that and requiring some certificate to vote, whether it is a receipt for a directly-levied poll tax or laundered through some officially-sanctioned ID manufactory. And the state government should be distributing polling places efficiently so that it is not a burden to travel to a polling place and cast your ballot.
You are running away from your initial point - about having some sort of proof that you are the voter listed on the rolls - a college id takes the same basic level of proof to obtain as a driver's license, so they are both equivalent in meeting your initial baseline point from earlier in the thread.
The polling place should be far enough away that you have to drive - thus needing your driver's license to get there - problem solved.
SO here was a thread about this a couple of years ago that I spammed the hell out of...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=476380
And here is one I started last year: Rampant racism in Germany, Mexico, and Quebec!!!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=476380
And here is one I started last year: Rampant racism in Germany, Mexico, and Quebec!!!
Okay fine, it meets my baseline for proof, but I'm not the one in charge now am I? Texas state law says a college ID is not acceptable, and I don't see that as unreasonable or discriminatory. To say a voting law is discriminatory you have to be able to show that a standard for voting has been set by the law that a certain demographic could never reasonably hope to meet. This law does not do that, as no one is being barred from obtaining any of the forms of acceptable IDs set forth by this law. Does it raise the standard for voter identification? Most certainly. But the law cannot be called discriminatory for merely introducing stricter standards, because those stricter standards are not targeted at any specific demographic.
When gun license holders' and veterans' IDs are ok and college IDs are not, it does show political bias, especially when acquiring such IDs requires the same basic levels of proof of identity.
