That kind of stimulation was not what I had in mind

[metatron]

Well he didn't act indecently in the library himself.

The media he watched are just that: media. They may very well be considered educational (or plain and simple art).

You don't want your kids to know about evolution:
Don't bring them to the library.
You don't want your kids to know about the existance of gay people:
Don't bring them to the library.
You don't want to know your children about the Holocaust:
Don't bring them to the library.
You don't want your children to know there is no Santa Claus:
Don't bring them to the library.

You don't want your children to know of the existance of porn and have a glimpse of an idea what is in it, or you don't want them to know about sex:
Don't bring them to the library.

Or better yet:
Teach them to walk away and look the other way. They have to learn that anyway.

Libraries often have children there.

They'll learn soon ebough on the discovery channel... or in Biology class.

Actually the sooner they know, the better.
Obviously there is a time when they are to young to understand in any sensible way anyway, but then there is no real "danger" either.

Screw the first amendment, watching porn in a library isn't appropriate.

Lot's of other things are inappropriate, too, but yet not forbidden.

Andra Addison, spokeswoman for the Seattle Public Library, said the libraries do not filter content on computers, unless the computers are in the kids' section.

Kid's section?!

Ah. So they actually protect children. Which they shouldn't.
But they do.
The moms in the article merely were either to stupid to follow the rules or simply decided that they didn't apply to them.
A sentiment rather common among mothers.

I'd be curious what would happen if this were to go up before SCOTUS. I think it'd be kind of like past decency rulings where pornography is ruled a kind of free speech.

SCOTUS actually said that a public library can very well choose what they offer - i.e. censor - and that that pinciple applies to them offering internet access just the same. That's in the article.

They could very well censor said man's "speech". I'm arguing that they shouldn't.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

They'll learn soon ebough on the discovery channel... or in Biology class.

Not sure the back door has much biological benefit. Or the other side of the corridor the back door's attached to.

 

[metatron]

Not sure the back door has much biological benefit. Or the other side of the corridor the back door's attached to.

In a somewhat varying degree it's somewhat typical human behavior none the less.

Would you want kids to grow up and learn "the normal" stuff but be completely superstitious about that?

Oh, wait, actually there are lot's of kids in the US for which that is/was true, resulting in an ever increasing rate of teenagers and young (rather stupid) adults catching STDs from such practices because they believed they were free of danger or entailed smaller danger.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

I must be invisible here. Perhaps I should post porn here and see if anyone notices.

Did anyone read my suggestion.

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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Terxpahseyton]

You don't want to know your children about the Holocaust:
Don't bring them to the library.
You don't want your children to know there is no Santa Claus:
Don't bring them to the library.

You don't want your children to know of the existance of porn and have a glimpse of an idea what is in it, or you don't want them to know about sex:
Don't bring them to the library.

Or better yet:
Teach them to walk away and look the other way. They have to learn that anyway.

They'll learn soon ebough on the discovery channel... or in Biology class.

Actually the sooner they know, the better.
Obviously there is a time when they are to young to understand in any sensible way anyway, but then there is no real "danger" either.

I don't find it hard to imagine that too early exposure to hardcore porn may be disturbing to a child in a way that it is emotionally harmed. Things are different with the holocaust, because the holocaust is not supposed to be a normal part of everyday life later on and well, it is supposed to "emotionally harm" you in the way that it is supposed to disturb you. Sex however is supposed to be something that doesn't emotionally harm you, but to which you develop a healthy relationship. And hence that a child learns to relate to that in a non-threatening way isn't a bad idea.

So I am with others that a library should either not allow hardcore porn or should have a special area for that stuff. I personally am okay with soft porn though.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I must be invisible here. Perhaps I should post porn here and see if anyone notices.

Did anyone read my suggestion.

Post on gaming forums goes uncommented on ! Call the authorities !

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Would you want kids to grow up and learn "the normal" stuff but be completely superstitious about that?

And hardcore pornography is what healthy intercourse looks like?

And I don't think I said that I opposed sex ed.

 

[metatron]

Aimee complained that there was no reaction to her post.
I failed in that department because i largely agreed with the sentiment of that post. Anyway, here it goes:

As I said, couldnt they have just put him in a computer in the corner of a small room where people would nto see it in public.

They have that kids section.
That should suffice, shouldn't it.

It's allready rather generous.
For example i would be somewhat offended by media being watched for everyone to witness by such a man if such media conveyed what i percieve as a notion of apologism.
However that is my problem. The idea that i could demand an apologism-free zone - of course satisfying the highest standards regarding that metric - wouldn't even cross my mind.
I would feel even less entitled to have such an area in existence, none the less dwell the rest of the library and then be offended by the rest of the library not being exactly like the apologism-free area that was created for my benefit.

Also, if that was an LCD screen, a lot of times (not always) you cannot see them unless youre right behind it. So I was wondering if the woman was actually just standing over his shoulder.

Such a behavior would be typical for many mothers as well...

And hardcore pornography is what healthy intercourse looks like?

And I don't think I said that I opposed sex ed.

You didn't give me any indication of opposing sex ed.
But you gave me at least some indication that you considered it somewhat unhealthy for kids to find out about sex unless (presumably) some conditions are met.
Maybe i misundertood you in that respect.

Anyway.
So you fundamentally agree with me that there is no significant danger in kids learning about sex in part as a result of accidentally witnessing porn...

...as long as it is the right kind of porn?

Healthy porn.

...



I am afraid i am rather confident by now that i did in fact misunderstand you. I have to make an awful lot of asumptions here anyway due to the shortness of your posts.
Please explain your position.

I don't find it hard to imagine that too early exposure to hardcore porn may be disturbing to a child in a way that it is emotionally harmed. Things are different with the holocaust, because the holocaust is not supposed to be a normal part of everyday life later on and well, it is supposed to "emotionally harm" you in the way that it is supposed to disturb you. Sex however is supposed to be something that doesn't emotionally harm you, but to which you develop a healthy relationship. And hence that a child learns to relate to that in a non-threatening way isn't a bad idea.

So I am with others that a library should either not allow hardcore porn or should have a special area for that stuff. I personally am okay with soft porn though.

The Holocaust ist essentially about stuff that is somewhat elemental to mankind and that everybody has to learn about. We could go into defining what exactly that is.
But for brevitys sake let's just file it under "poeple suck - and every child has to learn that sooner or later". That knowledge is very well supposed to be "a part of everyday life later on" as you put it.
So learning about the Holocaust is "healthy". It actually protects people from possible future harm in their adult lifes. Quite literally.

Sex is...let me use your words... "supposed to be something that doesn't emotionally harm you".
Emphasis on "supposed to be".

You really want to do this? You really want to go on the record with this and have me argue against the implied claim that sex is one healthy, fluffy expierience, that is easy and shock free to learn about and to expierence for the first time, against the idea that most people go through that prefectly unharmed, without pain, and the whole deal is essentially one big promoter of stability of personality?

You really want me to do that?

 

[innonimatu]

Yeah, I think clearly the library ought to be able to limit public viewing of that sort of content in an area where children are present. Viewing of pornographic material by minors is already illegal in the US, is it not?

Pathetic prudes.

What I really want to see is the clash between the "animal rights" crowd and the "save the children" crowd when a child stumbles on a dog and a * having sex on some street. I bet that animals having sex in front of children must have been outlawed there also.

*hey, speaking of prudes, looks like the term for female dog is censored in this forum!

 

[Terxpahseyton]

@metatron
Oh sure, the knowledge is supposed to be part of it. But not making your own little holocaust (nevermind that a holocaust is not easy to pull off in the first place). While you will want to have sex, that's the differentiating thing here. So it is okay to be scared of the holocaust, it is not to so cool to be scared of sex which I am confident a hardcore porn can accomplish. Keep in mind that we aren't just talking teenies (which would relativize such a concern considerably), but children.
Also, I didn't argue that not showing hardcore porn to children will in fact ensure that sex can not be emotionally harmful. Of course not. I am arguing that it ideally isn't and that showing them hardcore porn may harm this purpose.

 

[Silurian]

As I said, couldnt they have just put him in a computer in the corner of a small room where people would nto see it in public.

Also, if that was an LCD screen, a lot of times (not always) you cannot see them unless youre right behind it. So I was wondering if the woman was actually just standing over his shoulder.

I agree.

I think this is a case of bad manners on the mans part.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

So you fundamentally agree with me that there is no significant danger in kids learning about sex in part as a result of accidentally witnessing porn...

...as long as it is the right kind of porn?

Okay. Tell me, is hardcore pornography in any way representative of how a typical couple has intercourse? Do they show how to have a healthy sex life that is beneficial for both parties involved?

 

[Silurian]

It depends on the hardcore pornography.

 

[wilycoyote]

There are difficulties involved with free speech, but being diametrically opposed to censorship, I am more for this situation than against it. That being said, I would hope that this guy rethinks his internet viewing habits.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

It depends on the hardcore pornography.

Well you know how they usually end. Is that what a normal person does in the real world?

 

[civ_king]

What about CIPA?

 

[Leonel]

Wouldn't just looking the guy straight in the eyes, not saying a single thing, perhaps jump start the guys sense of guilt or at least make his habit very uncomfortable? There ain't no law saying you can't stare at someone.

 

[warpus]

Lot's of other things are inappropriate, too, but yet not forbidden.

I'm pretty sure that watching porn in public is illegal.. at least in all provinces here in Canada and probably in most states.

What about CIPA?

That's actually a vulgar Polish word for vagina

 

[Silurian]

Well you know how they usually end. Is that what a normal person does in the real world?

Well it depends on what you are watching.
Some do show a very ineffective form of birth control.

 

[civ_king]

I'm pretty sure that watching porn in public is illegal.. at least in all provinces here in Canada and probably in most states.



That's actually a vulgar Polish word for vagina

CIPA

The Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) is a federal law enacted by Congress to address concerns about access to offensive content over the Internet on school and library computers. CIPA imposes certain types of requirements on any school or library that receives funding for Internet access or internal connections from the E-rate program – a program that makes certain communications technology more affordable for eligible schools and libraries. In early 2001, the FCC issued rules implementing CIPA.

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