The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

[ParkCungHee]

In what sense is it obvious? You quoted Nietzsche in defence of Dawkins and against Hoffman, when it was to philosophers like Nietzsche who Hoffman was comparing Dawkins and finding him wanting, so it is apparently not quite as obvious as all that.

So my conversation hook didn't work the first time. What do you think of the idea that Dawkins is exactly the sort of thing Nietzsche was worried about and proposing an alternative to?

 

[Leoreth]

This thread seems to be the most on-topic thread i've seen in OT, it's about anti-Christian bigotry, and people are staying on the subject of how stupid Christians are!

Only if you don't comprehend what people are talking about.

I think this thread is a perfect example of how a thread can be derailed in a good way, judging from the flame-baity title.

 

[Core Imposter]

Why should they even care? Is a 5-year-old guilty of sin for stealing a cookie? Why can't children make up their own minds what to believe once they actually have the knowledge to properly do so? Why do they feel the need to indoctrinate them as they were indoctrinated themselves?

The 5 year old is born into sin and condemned not by his or her actions but rather separated by from God by original sin. Thus, at stake is the child's soul. To fail to lay the foundation for the saving knowledge of Christ would be a more heinous act by a parent than would be an abortion.

It is not a "need to indoctrinate", it is the ultimate act of love and responsibility.

 

[Leoreth]

It is not a "need to indoctrinate", it is the ultimate act of love and responsibility.

*shiver*

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Props to Christianity for having one of the most immoral preachments I've ever heard from a religion: original sin. It takes effort to be that abhorrent.

 

[Old Hippy]

Or just a plain agnostic? Atheist means you don't believe in a God, agnostic means you don't know, so if you don't have any opinion you'd be agnostic. Or even agnostic theist. But there's not really such thing as an agnostic Christian, since Chrisitanity implies following Christ, and Agnostic implies you don't even know if there's a God or not, the two do not mesh.



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I follow Christ's teaching ... and I don't Know if there is a God,so i guess that makes me agnostic
Dawkins is in town at the moment and said he was agnostic too about God ... he does not Know... but would use the term agnostic and atheist interchangeably because not knowing to him slash not believing in a god are pretty much the same thing...

Most Christan's I know say they believe in GOD, but they don't know... they have faith instead, if they knew they would say so instead of saying they have faith in god that they can not prove exists and the only Christan's I know who have had profound personal experience of Christ appearing in there bedrooms ... all have spent a lengthy stay in hospital and take meds to keep the voices at bay, usually the devil's voice

if you have a faith based religion ... you cannot really complain about peoples level of commitment ... the two don't mesh

 

[Arakhor]

Props to Christianity for having one of the most immoral preachments I've ever heard from a religion: original sin. It takes effort to be that abhorrent.

I quite agree. I find many of the points of Calvinism to be particularly vile.

 

[aelf]

Eh. Original sin is hardly exclusive to Calvinism. Basically any denomination that doesn't believe everyone will go to heaven believes in original sin in some sense.

 

[Arakhor]

Oh, I'm well aware of that. I think that Calvinism is extra-specially vile though.

 

[peter grimes]

The 5 year old is born into sin and condemned not by his or her actions but rather separated by from God by original sin. Thus, at stake is the child's soul. To fail to lay the foundation for the saving knowledge of Christ would be a more heinous act by a parent than would be an abortion.

It is not a "need to indoctrinate", it is the ultimate act of love and responsibility.

But you're assuming the child has a 'soul' to begin with. Do I have one? How can you tell? What evidence do you have of a soul? And if you assert the existence of something, remember - the onus is on you to provide evidence. Unless and until that happens, it is perfectly reasonable to reject your assertion.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Eh. Original sin is hardly exclusive to Calvinism. Basically any denomination that doesn't believe everyone will go to heaven believes in original sin in some sense.

Universal Reconciliation is also totally compatible with Original Sin.

 

[aelf]

Oh, I'm well aware of that. I think that Calvinism is extra-specially vile though.

I think you might be thinking about something like the doctrine of predestination.

Universal Reconciliation is also totally compatible with Original Sin.

True.

 

[Borachio]

I especially enjoyed Confessions of a Justified Sinner. Who was it by?

 

[Agent327]

What do you think of the idea that Dawkins is exactly the sort of thing Nietzsche was worried about and proposing an alternative to?

Nietzsche? The man who wrote ´God is dead, and we killed Him´? Do elaborate.

 

[classical_hero]

props to christianity for having one of the most immoral preachments i've ever heard from a religion: Original sin. It takes effort to be that abhorrent.

The folly of man thinking that he himself is good enough.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Maybe we aren't, but we're all we have.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm better than good enough.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

The folly of man thinking that he himself is good enough.

Good enough for what?

 

[Agent327]

The folly of man thinking that he himself is good.

Corrected that.

 

[Borachio]

I'm better than good enough.

I agree. You are. But am I?