The constitutional right to beg
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Now I don't know about US law, but here, sponsoring a crime is most definitely not always a crime itself. Basically, it depends on the crime.
Giving someone money so he could buy drugs is not a crime (unless that someone is minor, and then it would be a crime not because of collusion but on its own).
Giving someone money so he could buy drugs is not a crime (unless that someone is minor, and then it would be a crime not because of collusion but on its own).
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But in favor of arresting people that give money supposedly for the purpose of buying drugs...? How liberal!
GhostWriter16
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He should be allowed I suppose. Then again, I don't believe speech should ever be punishable, only hard actions. If they catch him buying weed, they can arrest him*
*I do think weed should be legal, but you understand my point.
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Tani Coyote
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It is violating the law, you know. A stupid law it may be, but the law nonetheless.
Of course, entirely up to them if they want to make a statement by defying it.
I am not a liberal.
GhostWriter16
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Should still be legal until the moment they really commit a crime. Then arrest them.
Speech should be free, add caveats and it ain't free.
Of course, if the threat is direct, you MIGHT have a case, but I think you'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the threat was intended to be serious. Me saying "I'm going to kill you" in conversation is probably a joke and definitely shouldn't be prosecuted. Me sending the President a threat by mail probably shouldn't be a crime in itself (This has nothing to do with who is in power, it has to do with the concept that speech should be free) but if such an attack occurs, the letter should be usable as evidence. If I tell you I'll shoot you if you leave your home, that's clearly harassment and shouldn't be allowed.
You have to prove I actually knew I was contributing to him committing a crime. I honestly would assume such a sign was either a joke, or that my money was just as likely to go food.
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I think the sign itself is proof enough. If he wanted food, he'd have a sign saying he wanted food, IMO.
So, he's either a hooligan or a criminal.
Oh I agree. I was just bring up the larger issue.
But since I just linked to it in another thread, here's the president for his defense. [wiki]Brandenburg v. Ohio[/wiki]. To qualify as illegal he would have to be promoting an "Imminent lawless action".
Why on earth a threat to the president shouldn't be taken seriously? You certainly can't expect it to be taken as a joke?
How about bomb threats in an airport?
What about lying?
Or he has a sense of humour and is trying to use comedy for donations.
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I think auditioning for some sort of club and mentioning drug humor in the middle of the skit would be more fruitful and less questionable than focusing on the illegal act entirely in the middle of a busy part of town.
Just dress yourself up in rags and beg for money. Easier way to get paid I'm sure.
GhostWriter16
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Well, you'd have to be pretty dumb to send the President a death threat as a joke, but my point was that a lot of people will say such things quicker than they will actually do them.
My broader point was that speech should be free unless it is clear that lawless action is going to occur. That goes beyond what is actually says, otherwise saying "I'm gonna kill you" as a joke would lead to arrest.
holy king
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let him pursuit his happiness.
