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The Feeling of Nothing

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Synsensa, Oct 23, 2011.

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Do you fear nothingness after death?

  1. Yes

    25.2%
  2. No

    60.2%
  3. Downtown

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  1. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    Exactly what I stated: the ability to have desires and experience pain. In the event that you must choose two organisms capable of both, then you choose the one more capable of it.
     
  2. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Desires, that's a very vague definition.
     
  3. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    Sorry I haven't read the whole thread so I may repeat something which has already been said.

    In nothingness, there's no feeling in the first place. So there's no "feeling" of nothing.
     
  4. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    Ok then we'll do it the hard way. Which of these are worthy of moral consideration:

    Great apes
    8 week old fetus
    15 week old fetus
    30 week old fetus
    Whales
    Ravens
    Parrots
    Dogs
    Cats
    Rabbits
    Elephants
    Deer
    Bears
    Wolves
    Pigs
    Horses
    Tigers
    Rats
    Alligators
    Bats
    Snakes
    Sharks
    Ants
    Flies
    Ticks
    Spiders

    Please bold, color, or otherwise group as appropriate so I can tell which are worthy of moral consideration.
     
  5. Mechanicalsalvation

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    I think you can safely say that human experience/existence is superior/more precious. However from the cockroach point of wiev it may look just the opposite.:lol: So it may as well be a draw.

    Edit: I like spirituality. So let me just add an aphorism which I have red quite recently:
    "In Gods Eye there is nothing or nobody more important then anything else."
     
  6. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    Those worthy in green:

    Great apes
    8 week old fetus
    15 week old fetus
    30 week old fetus
    Whales
    Ravens
    Parrots
    Dogs
    Cats
    Rabbits
    Elephants
    Deer
    Bears
    Wolves
    Pigs
    Horses
    Tigers
    Rats
    Alligators
    Bats
    Snakes
    Sharks
    Birds
    Jaguars

    Ants
    Flies
    Ticks
    Spiders
     
  7. Yared

    Yared That Guy

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    While I'm really hoping for myself to live past 2094 (at least) and have the joy of not only seeing my great-grandchildren but also conversing with them about life and stuff, I must acknowledge that nothing is forever. Don't whine about the unchangeable. You were dead for billions and billions of years before you were born, and I'm pretty sure you did not suffer the slightest inconvenience from it.

    The Stoics had interesting views. If you wanna, you could be the dog that's chained to the cart, barking while the cart goes from town to town. Or you could just try to be content with the life that you're living now and make the best out of it.
     
  8. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    "In the evening I go up in the desert and spend hours watching the sun go down, just enjoying it, and every day I go out and watch it again. I draw some and there is a little painting and so the days go by."

    "Live more and more in the present which is forever beautiful and stretches away beyond the limits of the past and future."

    "Anyone who has spent hours painting with intense focus suddenly realizes that hours have passed, and it may have only seemed like minutes. Time does not exist in the altered state. It is the soul, singing."

    "I think you can safely say that human experience/existence is superior/more precious [to us]." Edited for clarity ;)

    All non hive life sees its individual existence as central in importance. Such a perspective is buried in the foundation of consciousness.

    I am surprised that your green group is as large as it is. I think your line is pretty clear. Thanks.
     
  9. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    I would slate it like this:

    Great apes. Yes
    8 week old fetus. No
    15 week old fetus. Moderate
    30 week old fetus. Yes
    Whales. Yes
    Ravens. Yes
    Parrots. Yes
    Dogs. Yes
    Cats. Yes
    Rabbits. Yes
    Elephants. Yes
    Deer. Yes
    Bears. Yes
    Wolves. Yes
    Pigs. Yes
    Horses. Yes
    Tigers. Yes
    Rats. Moderate
    Alligators. Yes
    Bats. Yes
    Snakes. Yes
    Sharks. Yes
    Ants. No
    Flies. No
    Ticks No
    Spiders. No
     
  10. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    Yes, I'm not sure that an 8 week old fetus has "desires" even if it can feel pain. Definitions now come into play.
     
  11. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Strange that you're willing to give a chance to a snake or a bat but not a fetus. Speaks volumes about you.
     
  12. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    I probably should have been clearer about this but I include potential as well. An eight-month old has all the cognitive capacity of an ant at that moment in time, but unlike an ant will mature into an adult human (barring tragic accidents).
     
  13. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    Why should I? The snake and bat's sensory capacity is far greater than that of the early fetus.
     
  14. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    "have desires and feel pain" were his criteria, not mine. I don't feel that the early fetus fits his criteria for moral consideration. I haven't said a word about my thoughts on the matter.

    Fair enough. How do you define "potential"?
     
  15. Linkman226

    Linkman226 #anarchy

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    As in it will eventually left in the status quo barring unfortunate circumstances? (No, Monty Python, not every sperm is sacred :lol:. Sperm left untouched just...die.)
     
  16. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    If it helps move the conversation forward, neither an 8 week or 15 week (human) fetus can feel pain. Their nociceptors have not integrated or begun signaling to any cognitive machinery by that stage. Because this is such an important moral fact (imo), I have spent a great deal of time researching this, so that I didn't have a shallow opinion on this topic.
     
  17. GoodGame

    GoodGame Red, White, & Blue, baby!

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    The feeling of nothing.....feels like emptiness.
     
  18. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    up yours.
    I know, Manta Revan answered my comment anyway, so no harm done.
     
  19. holy king

    holy king Deity

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    i'm fine with nothingness.
     
  20. Ran88dom99

    Ran88dom99 Chieftain

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    To avoid the fear of nothingness stop thinking about it. That is true of all fear.

    But you have felt the fear of everything ending at least once right? I don't mean hanging in empty space as the nothingness.

    Vegetarianism is the only ethical choice. I'm not strict.
     

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