The last Antisemitic Events

[Squonk]

Which was totally insignificant, though.

 

[timtofly]

I'm not sure where you have the idea from that most of Lebanon once belonged to Israel. I'd be interested to see your source.


I'm afraid you are missing the point: if Zionists are allowed nationalism it is crazy to think Palestinians aren't allowed nationalism. (And Greater Israel also includes the Golan, not just the Westbank.)

Philistines weren't Phoenicians by the way. As far as I know they were part of the so-called Sea Peoples invasion. Whether they went ' extinct' isn't really relevant. Palestinians were/are the inhabitants of Palestine. That would include the Jewish population, most of which converted during the Islamic era. But as I mentioned before, there remained a Jewish minority all through the Islamic era up until modern times.

Technically between the two people groups of Abraham, Jews and Arabs. The Abrahamic land would include all of Syria, Iraq and the whole of the Arabian Peninsula. If divided evenly, the Jews would get the top half and the Arabs would get the bottom half. The Jews actually only claimed the narrow strip called Palestine and the Arabs were allowed all of the rest of the land. Now we really as westerners do not hold that much to ethnic divisions, but settled on kingdoms that were defined by how much a certain group could maintain control of. The ME on the other hand was set up by families and the land was supposed to be passed down equitably from generation to generation.

I don't see that happening again, but there may never be peace until full Israeli autonomy and control over the whole region. There may have been a two nation option back in 48, but that never materialized and more than likely never will. There will be ethnic tensions, but being a democratic state, that should be over come. But as long as there is civil unrest for autonomous status of the Palestinians there will always be an apartheid condition. If the Palestinians would be willing to give up control to Israel, and the fighting stops, then in time ethnic integration will follow. It is interesting that we now see Syria being divided up. If the radicals are not stopped, even Jordan and Lebanon may not be spared. If the religious radicals are not stopped, it may not be just a religious genocide, but an ethnic one as well.

Concerning Iran: It has religious ties to the region, but not ethnic ones.

 

[Agent327]

Which was totally insignificant, though.

That would appear to be the case, as their continued presence is commonly ignored.

The point, however, would be more along the lines of: if Jews convert to Islam, do they cease to be Jews? (Interestingly, both Christianity and Islam claim to worship the same biblical God; they both claim Judaism as their religious ancestor.)

Technically between the two people groups of Abraham, Jews and Arabs. The Abrahamic land would include all of Syria, Iraq and the whole of the Arabian Peninsula.

Well, technically, that makes no sense. The question was about Lebanon belonging to Israel, not where Jews and Arabs claim descent from on religious grounds.

 

[timtofly]

That would appear to be the case, as their continued presence is commonly ignored.

The point, however, would be more along the lines of: if Jews convert to Islam, do they cease to be Jews? (Interestingly, both Christianity and Islam claim to worship the same biblical God; they both claim Judaism as their religious ancestor.)



Well, technically, that makes no sense. The question was about Lebanon belonging to Israel, not where Jews and Arabs claim descent from on religious grounds.

There is no descent on religious ground claim. It is based on the historical ability of the Jews to maintain control over the land in question. I am pretty sure there is a marked location for Abraham's place of birth and his grave. Now if you can prove there was no Abraham, we may be able to chalk it up to some religion.

Neither the Jews nor Arabs have driven out the original people of Lebanon, but I would not put it past the Sunni Arabs to make the attempt now, unless they are stopped.