The new argument against gay equality: Same-sex marriage kills

[gay_Aleks]

The gays will blink in and out in quantum state, forever stuck into being gay and hetero.

 

[warpus]

I really don't understand why they're so worried about it.

Some of them are gay and have been living a lie - they don't want to see other gay people openly living a life that they have been only dreaming about, but can't afford to live, because then they would have to step out of the closet and be cast out from their conservatives social groups, families, etc.

 

[Borachio]

But why? Just because other people are living happily and openly together doesn't mean they have to, does it?

Maybe it does. What would I know about it?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

But why? Just because other people are living happily and openly together doesn't mean they have to, does it?

Maybe it does. What would I know about it?

Cognitive dissonance. If people have ruined their own lives for the sake of some higher law they have to convince themselves that they did the right thing because it's too painful to admit that you have thrown your own happiness away for nothing.
And they can't abide to see other people get away with it.

 

[Borachio]

Well, there's something in that, I suppose. I call it mean-spirited of them.

 

[warpus]

But why? Just because other people are living happily and openly together doesn't mean they have to, does it?

Maybe it does. What would I know about it?

Doesn't really make sense to me either, but I guess imagine you live in a world where cheese is illegal and frowned upon. If someone catches you eating cheese, you are banished and humiliated.

Now imagine that you secretly really like cheese, but have been pushing an anti-cheese agenda all your life, for appearances. Also imagine that there is a group of people who openly eat cheese in the face of anti-cheese society. Also imagine that this movement has been successful in making cheese eating a somewhat accepted practice. Cheese shops have started opening, people are eating cheese here and there, but you and your community are still staunchily anti-cheese.

Wouldn't you be a bit upset that all those people get to munch on cheese without a care, while you have been suckered into a life of "cheese is bad", with no seemingly obvious way out?

 

[Borachio]

Yeah. I guess.

On the other hand, I (if I were a closeted cheese lover) might just want to rethink my position on cheese. What have I got to lose really? I've got a whole new cheesy world ahead of me.

Strangely, I don't actually like cheese very much myself, even though I've nothing against people who do. So that's quite appropriate for the metaphor.

 

[Tahuti]

Cognitive dissonance. If people have ruined their own lives for the sake of some higher law they have to convince themselves that they did the right thing because it's too painful to admit that you have thrown your own happiness away for nothing.
And they can't abide to see other people get away with it.

If you feel that way, well... nevermind.

 

[Traitorfish]

Legalizing same-sex marriage devalues marriage and causes fewer heterosexual couples to marry

What a weird line of reasoning. "If marriage becomes more popular, marriage will become less popular." I know these people think that millennial are a rampaging horde of hipsters, but this just seems silly.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

If you feel that way, well... nevermind.

Ah, somebody feels accused .
I did't mean everybody who opposes it, only the obviously gay ones who get caught in bathroom stalls or claim they've been "cured".

 

[Tahuti]

Ah, somebody feels accused .
I did't mean everybody who opposes it, only the obviously gay ones who get caught in bathroom stalls or claim they've been "cured".

To be honest, I feel more indifferent to the Gay rights movement than accused by it. However, I think both proponents and opponents have valid arguments that deserve careful consideration. Besides, we can always play the Radical Islam card if we need Gays and Christians to get along with each other. There aren't remotely as many Christians as there are Muslims who go further than just argue with Gays.

 

[aelf]

I'll throw a bone to certain parties on this forum.

*ahem* These crazy fatty fuglies are crazy.

 

[cardgame]

To be honest, I feel more indifferent to the Gay rights movement than accused by it. However, I think both proponents and opponents have valid arguments that deserve careful consideration. Besides, we can always play the Radical Islam card if we need Gays and Christians to get along with each other. There aren't remotely as many Christians as there are Muslims who go further than just argue with Gays.

Name a single argument of the conservative opposition that is valid and deserving of consideration?

 

[jackelgull]

Name a single argument of the conservative opposition that is valid and deserving of consideration?

If you are a religious fundamentalist who believes God is real and Hell is real then the decision seems pretty simple doesn't it? I mean, God is a big fan of collective punishment and if your society doesn't do what he likes then he punishes everyone. So by that logic, by not punishing gay marriage you're dooming your entire society to hell. That's only if you're a fan of the Old Testament though.

I'm not sure if that counts. But it is valid to the conservative.

 

[Hygro]

The OP's lawyer is in effect arguing that we should negotiate with terrorists.

 

[Tahuti]

Name a single argument of the conservative opposition that is valid and deserving of consideration?

It aren't their arguments in themselves, rather, the social vision contained within these arguments. That is, that families form the basic societal unit instead of individuals and that marriage is more about kinship rather than love. Fundamentally, the conservative argument is that Gay marriage is a well-meaning but destructive force to these social forces.

Mind you I'm still slightly more sympathetic to Gays than to their religious opponents, though that is in part because I have more Gays in my circle of friends than Conservative Christians and I have many other reasons to dislike the latter group. At least I acknowledge that I'm biased.

 

[Cutlass]

I wonder has any of them looked at how many abortions are caused by Republican social and economic policies? Or at least lost births.

 

[bhsup]

Thanks Obama
Not sure if these 100 Republican "experts" or completely bat[censored] crazy.

I see you said "republican" where the article said "scholar" and in fact "republican" wasn't even used anywhere in the article. Do you mean to suggest that only republicans can be scholars? It's an intriguing notion, for sure, and I think one more worthy of discussion than the drivel in the article. Derailment, perhaps?

 

[Traitorfish]

Schaerr is a Republican and the Heritage Foundation is quite strongly associated with the Republican Party, though, so I'd assume that most of the scholars cited are Republicans. Perhaps it's best not to presume partisan affiliation, but it's not an unreasonable jump to assu

 

[JollyRoger]

I see you said "republican" where the article said "scholar" and in fact "republican" wasn't even used anywhere in the article. Do you mean to suggest that only republicans can be scholars? It's an intriguing notion, for sure, and I think one more worthy of discussion than the drivel in the article. Derailment, perhaps?

I didn't think the Republicans allowed scholars. Just try getting a pizza to celebrate your Ph.D.