Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I would consider running. I have a rather large district to cover, though. Three counties.
The Occupy Convention in summer of 2012
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woody60707
Deity
Yes please do that, I wanna see how this plays out. No offence, but this seems like a train wreck happening at 10mph. But everyone is too busy jumping on the train to notice.
Hygro
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This is why I'm exploring the possibility of getting involved in creating some tracks a switch, and a train station.
You can do anything if you're the one making it up.
I wrote a long post on a policy idea I had but I don't know if I want to post it quite yet.
Elta
我不会把这种
Hygro
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Uh, no. While some in the movement took it upon themselves to deliver a preliminary declaration of preferences, the point of a convention to is to decide what the members of the movement actually want. You can't have democracy by "whoever writes the first memo wins".
Also, did you really pick the most top down example possible to describe a bottom-up movement?
Nobody is returning my tweets. Apparently there are seven different occupy groups in the city of Chicago alone. OccupyChicago is *barely* the biggest. They're focusing on being a leftward flank against the mayor right now?
Archbob
Ancient CFC Guardian
Why does it have to be 1 male and 1 female? What kind of crock is that?
Why not 2 males or 2 females or 2 kittens?
Why not 2 males or 2 females or 2 kittens?
amadeus
Apply directly to the forehead
I did. It seems contradictory to have a bottom-up movement that has a declaration written by a self-appointed group and then imposed on its members. If this is the declaration, are they going to permit dissent? Candidates can't even raise private funds, everything needs to be given to them by a committee. Well, who appoints those committees? By what metric are these committees going to choose who is eligible to run or receive funds? It sounds like a predetermined outcome.
Integral
Can't you hear it?
Suggested Content of the Petition for a Redress of Grievances
Wording is key. The final product need not look anything like the current proposal; it's just to get the conversation started.
Wording is key. The final product need not look anything like the current proposal; it's just to get the conversation started.
Hygro
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That's a very valid question. It doesn't have to be. That was one starting suggestion. But it's pretty obvious to think of why you might have that, and pretty obvious why you wouldn't mandate your other suggestions. I've been thinking about it to, and I'm not sure it's the best rule, but I think it's okay. I think it would be bad if all the delegates were fiery young men, but given the nature of each area sending their own figure head, that's very likely. Having a greater diversity of perspective within those who agree with the movement is better.
Those are valid concerns and questions. I look at this in a completely different way. There's no self appointed people imposing on others. There are people taking the time to provide perhaps a working starting point for a movement to add to or to edit or to change. It's a political movement, by definition it's going to have leaders and followers. Someone writing a declaration for the movement doesn't mean it's imposed on the movement, it's an offered suggestion to be taken or discarded. The ideas thrown around now are just trying to figure out a good and fair way to make this happen. It's messy, and that's why some of us have an interest in helping guide the process.
Anyway, I just met with Integral (which was the bomb dot com). We talked about the idea some. That no one responded to DT was an important point. Rather than running or taking leadership in creating the elections for our precincts, the important thing might be taking the energy to make sure there actually is a convention, and that its a good one.
I have the training and the connections to put together an awesome, awesome, awesome convention. I understand both the nature of party conventions and what they do and are for (both in for making decisions and for making a media impact), and I understand good parliamentary procedure to channel the minds and energies of those in the Occupy movement so that we all can draft a strong, cohesive, and excellent movement to change our nation.
I'm still exploring the idea. But now's the time to start getting exciting, putting out ideas, and offering constructive criticism (like the two quotes above).
Yeah, so I reached out to as many of the Occupy groups as I could around here. There are apparently several beyond #OccupyChicago...multiple neighborhoods have their own (OccupyPilsen, OccupySouthSide), as well as affinity groups (OccupytheBarrio, OccupyTheHood), which makes organization very difficult. Nobody seemed particularly interested or invested in the convention...the groups right now are focusing on drawing in organized labor to oppose the Mayor's budget. That's cool and all, but taking garbage collection away from local Alderman isn't going to set the world on fire, you know? Nobody answered any of my questions.
I've been walking through the protests on my way to work lately. I can't speak for other cities, but around here, it's really just sad.
I've been walking through the protests on my way to work lately. I can't speak for other cities, but around here, it's really just sad.
Hygro
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Good work, DT.
I just visited Occupy Wall Street last night.
Or rather, the empty park that they were supposed to visit. Pulling a Downtown I naturally of course walked into the nearby "The Whiskey Bar"--a classy establishment for sure, flanked on either side by bail bond buildings--and ordered a coke. They told me not to bother, there was nothing left.
If we want a convention we'll have to make one ourselves.
Do we want one?
I just visited Occupy Wall Street last night.
Or rather, the empty park that they were supposed to visit. Pulling a Downtown I naturally of course walked into the nearby "The Whiskey Bar"--a classy establishment for sure, flanked on either side by bail bond buildings--and ordered a coke. They told me not to bother, there was nothing left.
If we want a convention we'll have to make one ourselves.
Do we want one?
Skwink
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Welcome to the movement!
Vylinius
College Student
I've been unable to reach out. Parents worried I might get arrested. However, I support the movement and will give moral support to anyone here that plans on becoming a part of the movement I suppose. Also if you need a talking head to shout off violent rhetoric I am here to offer my services. My family tells me I need to moderate my views if I ever want a career in politics.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
If it winds up being you, me, Downtown, and Integral founding a political party...well, that could be interesting!
The CFC Party Official Platform:
1. We vow to deal with the radioactive monkey problem.
2. We vow to fund research to once and for all settle the question of Eastern Europe.
3. We vow to come up with an actual 3rd agenda.
4. We vow to develop Spearmen with which we will win all wars cheaply and easily.
5. Oh yeah, and actual political stuff. That too.
1. We vow to deal with the radioactive monkey problem.
2. We vow to fund research to once and for all settle the question of Eastern Europe.
3. We vow to come up with an actual 3rd agenda.
4. We vow to develop Spearmen with which we will win all wars cheaply and easily.
5. Oh yeah, and actual political stuff. That too.
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