The Religious Right Movement

The Church is socially right-wing on the issues of abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia. Economically it takes no stance, but historically, most Catholic political parties were fiscally centrist.
Living wage, labor rights and a focus on social justice arn't really fiscally centrist. The Catholic Church most certainly does not take no stance when it specifically endorses those as part of catholic social teaching. They're not socialist, but they're left leaning, and certainly left enough to be considered left wing in the US. There's a reason why Catholics are historically Democrat, and why Hispanics are overwhelmingly Democrat despite the social issues, and it's not just because of immigration.
 
Living wage, labor rights and a focus on social justice arn't really fiscally centrist.

In the context of the early 1900s, yes, they might be considered left-wing. But not anymore. Moderate conservatives support all of these things.
 
In the context of the early 1900s, yes, they might be considered left-wing. But not anymore. Moderate conservatives support all of these things.

A living wage is most certainly still left wing. There's a difference between keeping a minimum wage, abolishing it, and wanting it to increase to levels in which a person could afford to live.

Supporting Labor unions is absolutely still left wing - you see any Republicans supporting the Employee Free Choice Act? Same thing with social justice, which does include government support; it's about helping those in need through whatever means, not merely through charity. You're focusing too much on the political labels here to strive to consider Catholics as conservative (economically liberal) as the evangelicals - the Church is simply not so on economic issues. There's no Protestant work ethic.

There's simply no Christian Democracy movement in the US. And the movement would still be considered center-left economically when you refer to the US, a country in which raising taxes by 5% is considered socialist.
 
A living wage is most certainly still left wing. There's a difference between keeping a minimum wage, abolishing it, and wanting it to increase to levels in which a person could afford to live.

Mitt Romney said during the campaigns that he wanted the minimum wage to be tied to inflation, and to rise in predictable levels. And he's fairly conservative, is he not?

Supporting Labor unions is absolutely still left wing

That's different from labour rights. Labor unions deserve the same rights as corporations get; no more, no less.

you see any Republicans supporting the Employee Free Choice Act?

The EFCA hurts unions' interests by abolishing the secret vote. It's a good thing they oppose it.

Same thing with social justice, which does include government support; it's about helping those in need through whatever means, not merely through charity.

The only question, here, is whether government or private charity works better. Conservatives argue the latter. That doesn't mean they oppose social justice.

You're focusing too much on the political labels here to strive to consider Catholics as conservative (economically liberal) as the evangelicals - the Church is simply not so on economic issues. There's no Protestant work ethic.

Right. They're broadly centrist, as opposed to strictly right-wing.
 
Of course I haven't. I see you also have already adopted the neocon characteristic of only believing what you want to believe instead of the truth. Good luck with that.
Would you mind addressing my point re the Soviet Union and its viability as an opponent during the 1980s, then, if you have such a good handle on TRVTH?
 
Your "point" that the Soviet Union may have decided to end life on earth as we know it out of spite? Don't make me laugh, especially when you consider that according to Reagan lovers that he supposedly did more than any other person to try to make that absurdity happen.

The biggest lie of the Cold War was that the Soviet Union was planning to first-strike the US, while the Soviets were actually worried all along about just the opposite happening. This can be clearly seen in their civil defense planning and preparations which didn't end until the Cold War did. OTOH the US did essentially no civil defense preparations for a supposed Soviet first strike from the mid-60s on. Truman's decision to drop two A-bombs on the Japanese was actually a warning to the Soviet Union that they would be next.
 
The Catholic church can be divided into two blocs: the most traditional faction, highly conservative, and which would be far to the right (think Spain's Franco to have one of the worst examples), and the grassroot faction, close to the poor, which can be very, very to the left (think South American "revolutionary" priests).

As a consequence, I'm not sure you can see the Catholic church as one block that will massively vote one way or the other.
 
Few things. The "Southern Strategy" may have been partially derived from segretagationist policies, but so was everything else. It's a cumulation of responses to forces both inside and outside their control; it was a giant back lash completed by many demographics, including those not inside the original groups designing old Anglo-Saxon conformist policies, responding to what was perceived as movements contradicting accepted and comfortable norms. [Strong feminism, "Hippie-ism," Black militantinism / “socialist” proposals, 1970's economic depression, pretty much everything] They were Catholics, Jews, Women, some Blacks, all participated in the revival of the Reagan era. The point is that it was influenced by many things and would have been created even had it had its origins from elsewhere. Denouncing the Southern Strategy on its origins, if that is anyone's intention, and then claiming its revival is its origin in disguise is meritless and essentially one giant crazy man's ad hominon argument. It shows a complete lack of understanding of recent American history in general.

The Religious Right Movement tapped into those who were religious and felt those other movements were pushing too far against what people at the time were comfortable with. In kind, the religious voted republican, Reagan, and Bush and accepted republican platforms like neoconservative economic platforms. Afterall, it's a two party system.

The dependency and future viability of the religious right movement, I imagine, will depend on a whole mess of factors. First, whether the religious in particular are going to be uncomfortable against perceived demands of other movements; whether those movements seem impartial and would respect the religious. Also whether the alleged new religious right will be just as offended as the ones back in the 1980s. We can't predict the future, but I'm imagine the demand of the religious right is going to die down as concerns for more earthly matters become more pressing. [but seeing how so many people have been trained to believe one particular economic system is better than the other, I don’t see republican or democratic parties dwindling short of demographic increase] The sixties and seventies were unique times, I don’t think they can be replicated but humans are always fickle and I imagine the religious right re-surfacing once the economy improves and/or once other groups take the opportunity to create law and society against what the majority population is comfortable with. And even then, it’s no guarantee it’ll be just as powerful, less powerful, or more powerful. Who knows. Even more so, we’re still not sure the religious right movement is even gone. They lost one presidential election; wait until the next election and then see how large of an influence they still have.

I'd also to point out that the Pope or whoever's in charge doesn't speak for all American Catholics. It's actually kind of laughable. The lot of us are Closet Protestants since there it’s difficult to claim to be from an particular European ethnicity and still claim to be protestant, and most simply vote on how they are inclined personally regardless of what some old White European in the Vatican says. (no offense to Europeans)

Edit: Dispite Formaldehyde's one sided rheotoric; he is right about the Soviet Union. During the period of the Cold War, success was typically proven by industrialization and western concepts of progress. Compared to the development of progress of the US and Europe, along with the progression of technology, the USSR wasn't able to keep up, relented, and decided to liberalize their markets to progress. The old model was failing. Reagan merely pushes spending to compel the USSR to push even harder making them fall sooner. There are other reasons, of course. Most, if not all, of the aggressive tactics in the 1980s was done by the US where the USSR was taking care of its own problems by the 1980s. However, saying Truman's decision to drop the two A-bombs on the Japanese was a warning is speculation at best. That might have been the reason, it might have been a reason. But there's no smoking letter saying "I'm Truman. I dropped two A-bombs tonight because I simply wanted to scare the Russians." Don't ignore all the other explanations just because it supports your skewed bias. thx.
 
Your "point" that the Soviet Union may have decided to end life on earth as we know it out of spite?
That's not what I said, don't assign me a strawman.
Formaldehyde said:
Don't make me laugh, especially when you consider that according to Reagan lovers that he supposedly did more than any other person to try to make that absurdity happen.
You're still not addressing my point. I never said that Reagan was any good or any bad in that respect. You claimed that the Cold War was already over by the time Reagan got into office. I provided a counterexample. Have you elected to withdraw your ridiculous hyperbole?

Obviously I'm not going to contest your nice off-topic monologue on civil defense and war preparations because it's mostly true.
 
EDIT: Ah. I now see what you are saying. Yes. There were a few times during the Reagan administration where nuclear war ironically may have actually occurred. But that doesn't change the fact that the supposed Cold War was already over in the sense that the eventual demise of the Soviet Union was already known by virtually everybody but Reagan and the CIA. That is if someone was actually capable of awakening Reagan from his daily nap in time to respond to the crisis.
 
There is no evidence to suggest that Reagan took naps in the White House. But hey, I'm a silly neocon who refuses to see the truth (and you concluded this on the basis that I ask for proof), so what do I know?

And, again, you have yet to actually tell me what caused the Soviet economy's massive decline. What actually caused it. Not "communism", since that does not inherently explain the mess.
 
There is no evidence to suggest that Reagan took naps in the White House.
Is that right?

http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/history/index.asp

Some years later, The White House would stand witness as the great moral crusader Ronald Reagan would crush the evil Soviet Empire from the Oval Office, and re-invent what it means to portray an honest, faith-loving American. President Reagan would also spearhead the establishment of the beloved "National Nap Hour," from whose ethereal dreamscape would spring the utterly necessary National Missile Defense System. This system, for which he coined the term "Star Wars," will save untold American lives in the very likely event of nuclear missile attacks by the entire world.
L2Google before you post or forever be mistaken for a fool.
 
Of course he joked about being a lazy guy. He had a sense of humor. Ask any of his former aids, and all of them will say that he didn't take naps, at least on a regular basis.
 
I would hope Presidents take naps during the day. They can't work a normal day like the rest of us...you never know when they have to deal with a crisis. Might be at 3 am.
 
Gotta love revisionist history. Facts don't matter one bit.

I'm asking for facts, actually. Show me one former Reagan aide who testifies that he would nap on a regular basis in the White House. The source I'm citing is Dinesh D'Souza, who was his senior policy advisor in the late '80s.

"His critics said he was 'prone to nodding off' during the afternoon, but contrary to popular rumor, there is no evidence that he took naps in his office. 'I never saw him do it,' says Edwin Meese, who served as counselor to the president. All those who worked with Reagan confirmed that he worked a full day without interruption."

From his Reagan biography, pg. 202.

EDIT: I didn't catch your Charles Krauthammer quotation, there. As far as I know, Krauthammer never worked in the White House during the Reagan administration, so he is not a reliable source.
 
Reagan deficit spent in the '80s, because that was what was necessary to win the Cold War.

I've never understood this. So the communist command economy of the USSR didn't fall because it was inherently inefficient and wrongheaded? It fell because it was forced to react to US spending?

This fails to condemn communism or commend the west. From this perspective, the narrative of latter 20th century takes on a decidedly different turn. Communism becomes a completely viable economic model and free market and capitalism models are roughly parallel in terms of economic growth. The difference is that communism tries to create a completely egalitarian society. Thus the USSR was not brought down by the inherent bankruptcy of its ideology, it was brought down because of rampant militant spending and aggressiveness on the part of the West! The USSR, unable to keep up with such militancy, collapsed.

This sounds like the sort of historical revisionism that would find a more comfortable home in Putin's' Russia, not the sort that should flourish (and flourish it seems to!) in free and well educated America.
 
I've never understood this. So the communist command economy of the USSR didn't fall because it was inherently inefficient and wrongheaded? It fell because it was forced to react to US spending?

No, the fact that communism doesn't work contributed to it, but that's not actually why the economy collapsed; because otherwise, it would've collapsed the moment it was inceived in Russia.

What actually caused the final push was the inflation of oil prices and their escalating defense budget.
 
It's shown to be very efficient to take a cat nap in the afternoon. It's actually an hour well spent.
 
Unfortunately, Reagan did it because he was old and senile.

http://www.slate.com/id/2101842/

Ronald Reagan claimed that the Russian language had no word for "freedom." (The word is "svoboda"; it's quite well attested in Russian literature.) Ronald Reagan said that intercontinental ballistic missiles (not that there are any non-ballistic missiles—a corruption of language that isn't his fault) could be recalled once launched. Ronald Reagan said that he sought a "Star Wars" defense only in order to share the technology with the tyrants of the U.S.S.R. Ronald Reagan professed to be annoyed when people called it "Star Wars," even though he had ended his speech on the subject with the lame quip, "May the force be with you." Ronald Reagan used to alarm his Soviet counterparts by saying that surely they'd both unite against an invasion from Mars. Ronald Reagan used to alarm other constituencies by speaking freely about the "End Times" foreshadowed in the Bible. In the Oval Office, Ronald Reagan told Yitzhak Shamir and Simon Wiesenthal, on two separate occasions, that he himself had assisted personally at the liberation of the Nazi death camps.

The fox, as has been pointed out by more than one philosopher, knows many small things, whereas the hedgehog knows one big thing. Ronald Reagan was neither a fox nor a hedgehog. He was as dumb as a stump. He could have had anyone in the world to dinner, any night of the week, but took most of his meals on a White House TV tray. He had no friends, only cronies. His children didn't like him all that much. He met his second wife—the one that you remember—because she needed to get off a Hollywood blacklist and he was the man to see. Year in and year out in Washington, I could not believe that such a man had even been a poor governor of California in a bad year, let alone that such a smart country would put up with such an obvious phony and loon.
 
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