The shortest God thread opening post and poll, with the longest threadtitle on CFC-OT

[Borachio]

Oh right. Of course, college campuses. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

When I say "true atheist" I mean someone who knows god doesn't exist, rather than thinks it unlikely but unprovable.

So knowing is believing in this case?

Like all scientific questions, I can't prove any god hypothesis wrong but in failing to prove them right I am comfortable dismissing them as wrong.

But what kind of proof will you accept? Do you think infinite can be proven the way of your finite mind? Even if God stands before you next moment It is gone the experience will be subject to doubt. One has to enlarge ones own capacity first...

I think it all depends on what you think God is.

What is not God?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

In this town there is actually a club that isn't affiliated with the university, can't speak for the rest of the US though.

Oh and the university has two atheist clubs, but they hate each other.

 

[Borachio]

What is not God?

The ego? And just about anything you can name? Which is kind of the point about it being undefinable.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

The ego? And just about anything you can name? Which is kind of the point about it being undefinable.

Its perhaps just our limited way of seeing the truth. Why would not our ego be a God? If something is omnipotent then it can limit itself to its liking. If something is unlimited it can be the biggest and smallest thing in the same time. There is no limitation neither single correct definition - like you say.

 

[Global Skeptic]

Which I guess is roughly as useful as global skepticism is to me.

So proof, prove and proven appears to be subjective. Just as God.

 

[Zack]

That just defines a subset of all atheists though, those who "for sure know" that God doesn't exist, or at least believe so.

I do not fall in that group, yet I have to be considered an atheist, because my answer to this question: "Do you believe that God exists?"

Is "No"

There is no such thing as a "true" atheist.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So proof, prove and proven appears to be subjective. Just as God.

Since you started the sentence with "So" it appears you drew that conclusion from his remark. Explain how.

Do you believe the concept of gravity is subjective as well? Not the Theory, but the concept.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Do you believe the concept of gravity is subjective as well? Not the Theory, but the concept.

Indeed. I believe I can fly....touch the sky....

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Indeed. I believe I can fly....touch the sky....

Ah, but doesn't flying require gravity? Otherwise it'd be just floating. Or you'd need a propulsion system. But maybe we shouldn't discuss integrated human propulsion systems.

Nothing good will come out of it.

Damn, too late

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Ah, but doesn't flying require gravity?

Well not the belief-flying. I suppose not. It defies it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well not the belief-flying. I suppose not. It defies it.

Ah yes, that's different.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Ah yes, that's different.

Maybe you can point out to me the relation between thought and gravity?

Edit: We feel like flying when we are happy regardless gravity right? Stupid and smart live next to each other regardless gravity too. So I guess the concept of gravitity can be a bit subject-dependent.

 

[Borachio]

Doesn't "defying gravity" require gravity to defy?

 

[warpus]

One of the many reasons why I stopped going to my local atheist club meetings is because they spent so much time arguing over the definitions of atheism/agnosticism/whatever and trying to 'accurately' classify themselves/each other/everyone else. I never understood why people of this bent spent so much time or energy on it.

I correct people when I asked to identify my position. If I just say "Oh, I'm an atheist agnostic".

This leads to questions and usually people trying to tell me "who I really am and what I really believe"

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I correct people when I asked to identify my position. If I just say "Oh, I'm an atheist agnostic".

This leads to questions and usually people trying to tell me "who I really am and what I really believe"

I promise my comment was in no way directed at you. Like I said, it's more about real life groups since this is a forum for discussion. It also isn't an issue to clarify your position or your identity. What I'm more talking about is 15 people spending an hour and a half spinning their wheels over a word instead of doing anything else. Then they complain they can't attract more members.

And by spinning their wheels, I don't even mean necessarily that they're talking about what they identify themselves as. They can literally get hung up on the word.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Doesn't "defying gravity" require gravity to defy?

Honestly, I believe you can do that through levitation. Mind is superior to matter so if you can release it from being subject to it you can succesfully defy any physical law.

 

[Zack]

I promise my comment was in no way directed at you. Like I said, it's more about real life groups since this is a forum for discussion. It also isn't an issue to clarify your position or your identity. What I'm more talking about is 15 people spending an hour and a half spinning their wheels over a word instead of doing anything else. Then they complain they can't attract more members.

And by spinning their wheels, I don't even mean necessarily that they're talking about what they identify themselves as. They can literally get hung up on the word.

Yeah, I don't really worry about what I officially label myself as all that much. Yet another way I'm unlike libertarians.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Maybe you can point out to me the relation between thought and gravity?

I wasn't being sarcastic.