The Speech that won the election

[Dachs]

I guess it's back to Germany with me

 

[El_Machinae]

If only Hispanics were the only illegals. They are NOT. I want ALL illegals stopped, not merely Hispanic. In fact, if I had a choice, the middle east would be far more important to stop.

That's not my point. It's the worry of becoming racist or assuming that foreigners (that I see) are 'probably illegal' and thus implicitly holding them (or their kids) in contempt. I'm not saying you are, it's just something to be really introspective about - to notice it if it's happening subconsciously.

 

[Truronian]

Possibly where you live. But in this state, it is a HOT issue, and one of the reasons Romney will get the state

I did a bit of googling, and this Chiteng has his profile location as North Carolina while also sharing a signature with this Chiteng who seems to post a lot about opposing illegal immigration and North Carolina; this leads me to believe you're from said state. Is illegal immigration really such a huge issue there?

 

[Cutlass]

Raleigh, N.C. — Various state agencies on Wednesday gave lawmakers their best estimates as to how much illegal immigrants cost North Carolina taxpayers.

More than 100 people packed the meeting room for the hearing by the House Select Committee on the State's Role in Immigration – half in support of illegal immigrants and half who want the state to take action against them.

Lawmakers learned that trying to calculate the cost to taxpayers for services to illegal immigrants is not as easy as they thought. The only solid number presented to the two-hour hearing was the $1.3 million spent on emergency medical care.

Officials with the state Department of Revenue, Division of Motor Vehicles and Department of Health and Human Services told lawmakers that illegal immigrants aren't eligible for most services, like food stamps or unemployment, and the benefits they can receive, such as education, are mostly mandated by federal law.

"It was interesting to hear those facts today that (agencies) are checking status and that there are limited benefits that we provide. I think it's a great information-gathering situation," said Rep. Sarah Stevens, R-Surry.

Lawmakers just want to make sure illegal immigrants are contributing more to the state than their cost, Stevens said. More agencies will present reports to the committee next month.

Irene Godinez, legislative director for the Latin American Coalition, said a University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill study has found that illegal immigrants and their families pay hundreds of millions of dollars in state and local taxes in North Carolina every year.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10644848/


Lots of taxes paid. Few services received. That's about typical. Illegals are a sweet deal for the taxpayer. That's one reason no American government in decades has had an interest in doing something about the "problem".

 

[dutchfire]

I did a bit of googling, and this Chiteng has his profile location as North Carolina while also sharing a signature with this Chiteng who seems to post a lot about opposing illegal immigration and North Carolina; this leads me to believe you're from said state. Is illegal immigration really such a huge issue there?

http://townhall.com/social/chiteng-135257/comments/
http://www.stumbleupon.com/stumbler/Chiteng

 

[Chiteng]

http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10644848/


Lots of taxes paid. Few services received. That's about typical. Illegals are a sweet deal for the taxpayer. That's one reason no American government in decades has had an interest in doing something about the "problem".

You should actually go to Raleigh. Look at the reality of illegal immigration.
Far better that, than your apparent fantasy

 

[Cutlass]

You should actually go to Raleigh. Look at the reality of illegal immigration.
Far better that, than your apparent fantasy

I know exactly what the reality is. And it's not anything like the fearmongering of it is. Most illegal immigrants come in, work far harder than they should need to, keep their heads down, and build a future for their families. There are almost no American families that don't have a number of those people as ancestors. The only difference now is that much fewer of them are white.

 

[Chiteng]

I know exactly what the reality is. And it's not anything like the fearmongering of it is. Most illegal immigrants come in, work far harder than they should need to, keep their heads down, and build a future for their families. There are almost no American families that don't have a number of those people as ancestors. The only difference now is that much fewer of them are white.

ahh you think you know. Well all men are entitled to an opinion, in the USA.

That one is yours

 

[Borachio]

Ah.



Mr Chiteng, sir. Your vision is truly uni-directional, isn't it?

 

[Quackers]

The other difference is that past immigrations in the 19th century were - legal? So they didn't break the law to get into the country.

 

[Chiteng]

Ah.



Mr Chiteng, sir. Your vision is truly uni-directional, isn't it?

I am not sure I have a vision =) Only interests. This election, this is it.

By your logic, I should like Obama, because he is pro-green agenda.
But his policies on immigration lost him my vote over two years ago.
He is a shameless panderer. Worse than Ted Kennedy was. I will never support such a man.

 

[Chiteng]

The other difference is that past immigrations in the 19th century were - legal? So they didn't break the law to get into the country.

That matters to ME =)

 

[Cutlass]

The other difference is that past immigrations in the 19th century were - legal? So they didn't break the law to get into the country.

Legal according to who? Certainly not the people whose land was taken to make room for them all.

 

[Quackers]

legal to the USA obviously...

 

[Cutlass]

Mostly people just showing up uninvited and no one throwing them back out again. Pretty much exactly like the illegal immigrants now.

 

[Leoreth]

So if legality is the only problem, why don't you support making everyone a legal citizen if they want to? This would solve the illegal immigrant problem immediately.

 

[JollyRoger]

But his policies on immigration lost him my vote over two years ago.

His policies of record enforcement and a focus on ridding us of the worst of the undocumented aliens?

 

[Chiteng]

So if legality is the only problem, why don't you support making everyone a legal citizen if they want to? This would solve the illegal immigrant problem immediately.

Because I dont want them here?
I dont like people who try to extort and blackmail the politicals. They are corrupt enough already.

I never support rewarding a criminal for being a criminal. It only makes other people do it as well.

 

[dutchfire]

I too approve of campaign finance reform, but that doesn't seem to be the thing we were discussing.

 

[Leoreth]

Because I dont want them here?

You said so far that the problem is their current (il)legal status.

Since you've just denied that, I can only deduce that you're simply a xenophobe.