The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Commodore]

2nd amendment doesn't cover destructive devices though.

That may change. It all depends on how far certain groups want to take that overturning of the NYC nunchuk ban. I'm sure a good enough legal team could spin that ruling into a very convincing argument that any weapons ban, even those for destructive devices, is unconstitutional. We could see an overturning of the NFA as well, which would make a lot of gun owners very, very happy. Doing so would pretty much take all power away from the ATF, and us gun owners hate the ATF about as much as Democrats hate ICE right now.

 

[Estebonrober]

And your high capacity magazine ban wouldn't affect me anyway. All I own are standard capacity 30 round magazines.

Any rifle with more than one shot is high capacity. Hunting requires one shot. Anything else is for hobby (this is like 99.9% of the current rifle industry it seems these days) or human killing/suppressing fire.

 

[cardgame]

One shot is ridiculous. People miss. People need to defend themselves from charging boars, bears, wolves, maybe feral and/or rabid dogs. You can't limit guns to one shot. What we could do, though, is what I understand Germany does - bolt actions only, five round capacity. Hunter's license required. Highly restrictive on killing potential, does nothing to ruin hunting or legitimate uses of firearms. We could even keep all the ARs and other now-banned weapons available at firearm ranges, you know, in controlled environments with legitimate targets.

Now I'm not necessarily in favor of all these changes, but they're all pretty hard to argue against unless you take a hardliner position. I'm honestly torn these days, between actual regulation like the above, or status quo because, "any attempt to disarm the proletariat must be frustrated, by force if necessary." How important that emphasis actually is in the modern day seems questionable though.

 

[Estebonrober]

One shot is ridiculous. People miss. People need to defend themselves from charging boars, bears, wolves, maybe feral and/or rabid dogs. You can't limit guns to one shot. What we could do, though, is what I understand Germany does - bolt actions only, five round capacity. Hunter's license required.

Well all be, that sounds like compromise.

 

[Arwon]

People need to defend themselves from charging boars, bears, wolves, maybe feral and/or rabid dogs. You can't limit guns to one shot.

Unrelated but this stuff right here is why Americans need to stop meming about Australian nature being dangerous

 

[Estebonrober]

Unrelated but this stuff right here is why Americans need to stop meming about Australian nature being dangerous

It is all absurd, but I'm willing to compromise to get something real.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Any rifle with more than one shot is high capacity. Hunting requires one shot. Anything else is for hobby (this is like 99.9% of the current rifle industry it seems these days) or human killing/suppressing fire.

One shot is ridiculous. People miss. People need to defend themselves from charging boars, bears, wolves, maybe feral and/or rabid dogs. You can't limit guns to one shot.

What about one of these?

 

[Arwon]

It is all absurd, but I'm willing to compromise to get something real.

Nah man you guys have to worry about bears and big cats if you go camping, what's this "tie your food up" stuff, that's scary. Gimme "be mindful of snakes" over "an apex predator may try to eat you" any day.

 

[Commodore]

Any rifle with more than one shot is high capacity. Hunting requires one shot. Anything else is for hobby (this is like 99.9% of the current rifle industry it seems these days) or human killing/suppressing fire.

Nope. 30 rounds is standard capacity for a rifle per military definitions. And when it comes to weaponry, military definitions are certainly more valid than politically motivated civilian definitions.

Also saying something like "hunting requires one shot" shows you know nothing about firearms or hunting, making any opinion you have on either subject invalid.

 

[Commodore]

"any attempt to disarm the proletariat must be frustrated, by force if necessary."

I'm glad you quoted this. It shows that any leftist who supports gun control is a raging hypocrite.

I suspect the support for it among Democrats in the US comes from their perception that the vast majority of gun owners are conservatives, so it's not so much that they want to disarm the people as much as it is they want to disarm their political opponents. Of course there are gun owners across the entire political spectrum, which is why there is so much resistance to gun control, not because of some vast NRA conspiracy to bribe politicians.

 

[Estebonrober]

Nope. 30 rounds is standard capacity for a rifle per military definitions. And when it comes to weaponry, military definitions are certainly more valid than politically motivated civilian definitions.

Also saying something like "hunting requires one shot" shows you know nothing about firearms or hunting, making any opinion you have on either subject invalid.

In that case nothing you say about healthcare, economics, philosophy, climate, and on and on and on has no validity and I will in the future ignore your ignorant comments on such topics.

No one hunts for sustenance. This is all hobby/sport bullfeathers. There is no moral excuse for propping up hobbies post Sandy Hook.

 

[Commodore]

No one hunts for sustenance.

Again you show your ignorance. Just because you don't hunt for your food doesn't mean no one does. I have a freezer full of dear meat that proves your statement to be false. And a lot of other hunters out there also have freezers full of meat from their kills as well to prove you even more wrong.

You've been to college right? If so, I'm sure you learned at some point not to make absolute statements like that unless you know for certain it is correct.

 

[Zardnaar]

Unrelated but this stuff right here is why Americans need to stop meming about Australian nature being dangerous

Australia has nasty stuff though, big Crocs, snakes, poisonous jelly fish, the descendents of ex cons etc.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Australia has nasty stuff though, big Crocs, snakes, poisonous jelly fish, the descendents of ex cons etc.

You forgot the Murdoch empire.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Nope. 30 rounds is standard capacity for a rifle per military definitions. And when it comes to weaponry, military definitions are certainly more valid than politically motivated civilian definitions.

Also saying something like "hunting requires one shot" shows you know nothing about firearms or hunting, making any opinion you have on either subject invalid.

Hmmm...Founding Fathers seemed to do alright with just one shot muskets. Kinda makes all modern day hunters a bunch of sissies. Nes pas?

 

[Commodore]

Hmmm...Founding Fathers seemed to do alright with just one shot muskets. Kinda makes all modern day hunters a bunch of sissies. Nes pas?

Nope. Hunters today still get it done in one shot. Like I've said though, an AR is useful for when you get attacked by another predator out there. When that happened to hunters back then, they were pretty much screwed since they'd have to tangle hand to hand with whatever was attacking them. And I don't know if you are aware or not, but compared to other animals, humans aren't the most physically adept species out there. It's our brainpower that saves us, and our brainpower allowed us to think up all kinds of neat weapons to compensate for our lack of physical prowess.

 

[Zardnaar]

Getting attacked is fairly corner case and a pistol would suffice. Generally animal flee.

 

[Arakhor]

I'm glad you quoted this. It shows that any leftist who supports gun control is a raging hypocrite.

Because all "leftists" are Marxists, right? Do you have any other massively sweeping statements that serve only to make you feel superior?

 

[Commodore]

Because all "leftists" are Marxists, right? Do you have any other massively sweeping statements that serve only to make you feel superior?

No, not all Marxists, but I think it's fair to say all modern leftist ideology is inspired by March, even if it's just a little bit.

 

[Gorbles]

Which, uh, is completely irrelevant to your sweeping statements on leftists, and doesn't actually make all of leftist thought Marxist. Please try again.