yung.carl.jung
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no, they really shouldn't. left wingers should build guns! depending on big NRA for self defense is insanity anyway. I'd rather trust exxon with managing climate change.
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no, they really shouldn't. left wingers should build guns! depending on big NRA for self defense is insanity anyway. I'd rather trust exxon with managing climate change.
Lexicus
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Leftwingers should learn chemistry
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AND DRUG PARTY/THERAPY THEM WITH CONSENT because bombs are bad. Although if leftwingers form municipal armories some heavy weapons are appropriate.
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Wait a second the NRA doesn't make or sell guns. I'm down with building guns but also we want expert American firms making the best guns and that means financing them with consumer dollars. That seems more efficient for national defense.
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Leftwingers should buy guns and more. On credit.
Take loans. Buy some tanks.
As Lenin said:
The capitalists will sell us the rope...
Rashiminos
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I was under the impression they already did.
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Liberals who are leftwingers by virtue of a similar longterm imagined endstate, or maybe just left of the Republicans, who don't buy guns, should buy guns.
See, we can agree on something. The only change I'd make to your post would be to replace "left wingers" with "Americans".
Which I think is something that's starting to happen. Two guys just got busted for trying to sell dozens, yes dozens, of home manufactured firearms to what they thought was a member of ISIS but turned out to be an FBI agent. So if these guys were able to manufacture dozens of firearms before getting caught, just imagine how many are out there that aren't getting caught.
Personally, I love it. Modern technology is pretty much making all gun laws unenforceable as long as you are smart about it and don't try to sell your ghost guns to terrorists.
What a load of nonsense. Gun laws are very much enforceable, you just don't want to see them and thus pretend that they wouldn't work, ignoring that they work just fine everywhere else.
Having enforceable laws doesn't mean that every single case of misbehaviour will caught, nor are they even supposed to. They are supposd to lower the chances, reduce the odds. The idea that some cases slipping through would somehow make a case against these kind of laws is absurd to say the least. No one suggests that speed limits might as well be abandoned because some people go over the limit. No one (sane) suggests that seat-belts shouldn't be mandatory anymore because occasionally people don't use them or even survive a crash without them. Proper gun regulations make the world safer for everyone. They drastically lower the number of crimes, murders and accidents. There isn't a single good case against such laws, nor has there ever been any. A reasonable and sane gun-owner would have absolutely no problems with solid and good regulations, because they aren't in any way a threat to him. They do in fact protect him as well, and make sure that he can stay seperate from the crazy gun-nuts who go off shooting people.
What a load of nonsense...
Gun control laws don't appear to have much affect on crime at all. There's enough gun-related crime in America to make that obvious. The problem is... Criminals don't obey your silly laws, nor to the mentally ill, nor do terrorists.
Furthermore, endless gun control laws do indeed threaten law abiding gun owners like myself. They restrict my ability to protect myself and my family, and in many cases (California, Massachusetts and some other blue states) they are poorly hidden steps to eliminate gun ownership altogether.
Gun laws are no more enforceable then drug laws: they only pile on the penalties if the perpetrator is caught, and help to increase the criminal population in the prisons.
Ask a Feminist if "reasonable" abortion laws are a good idea. Her head will explode on the way to the court of appeals.
Lexicus
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Typical weaselly phrase. They have an effect on gun violence, not "crime" as a whole.
Since having a gun puts you and your family in more danger than not having a gun there is no way this is true.
"Other countries where gun control laws have reduced gun violence significantly are not real"
yung.carl.jung
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Indeed, the abundance of 3D printing will make almost any kind of firearm DIY-able. If that's a good thing or not I'm honestly not sure. I suppose we'll only find out retrospectively. I do agree with you that police & military having almost a monopoly on firearms is bad (if that is what you're saying), but I also don't want to live in a world without gun regulations. it's definitely a complicated matter.
what is your source for this claim?
Broken_Erika
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Unless you're a farmer living in the arse-end of nowhere.
But then again, those are usually long-rifles and shotguns. Not handguns/pistols.
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Honestly you need to try to do more than just randomly repeat talking lines from right wing talk radio. Holy crap there isn't an original thought in this screed at all.
Compare gun related crime to any other nation in the world. . . That is all.
Interesting note here on gun control/gun availability and firearm homicide.
The U.S. is only ranked #15 worldwide for firearm homicide, while the countries ranked #1-14 have a combined gun availability of a mere 10% of what the United States has, but a combined homicide rate of 460% of the United States. To follow the trend set by these other countries, assuming gun availability as the cause, the United States would need to kill 670,000 people every single year with firearms.
Guess what these 14 countries actually have in common that could motivate such violence? Political and economic instability. Poor standards of living, inequality, all things that the United States also sucks at compared to first world nations. It's not about the guns. It's about what makes people use them.
The U.S. is only ranked #15 worldwide for firearm homicide, while the countries ranked #1-14 have a combined gun availability of a mere 10% of what the United States has, but a combined homicide rate of 460% of the United States. To follow the trend set by these other countries, assuming gun availability as the cause, the United States would need to kill 670,000 people every single year with firearms.
Guess what these 14 countries actually have in common that could motivate such violence? Political and economic instability. Poor standards of living, inequality, all things that the United States also sucks at compared to first world nations. It's not about the guns. It's about what makes people use them.
Tell that to the guy on Florida who, just a few days ago, fought off four armed Intruders with his AR-15. In your world, those Intruders still would have been armed and that man would have been helpless and probably would have ended up dead.
That story isn't an isolated case either. If you bother to look at news from sources that aren't openly anti-gun, you'd see that people either fight off or scare away Intruders with their guns quite a bit.
The point of course being that I should be the one to decide how best to protect my home, not the government.
Yes I am saying the government should not have a monopoly on deadly force. Not only that, but I have even come around to the thinking that the general population should be better armed than law enforcement. I don't think we'd see nearly as much abuse of power among cops if they knew they'd lose once someone decided to stand up to them.
That's a nice thought, but "standing up" to cops is just a fancy way of saying 'suicide by cop'.
Yeah, but that's because they have easier access to better firearms and firearms training than the average person.
I wonder what the results would be if we experimented with taking guns away from cops and leaving them only with their non-lethal weapons while still allowing private gun ownership?
On the list I looked at the US came 11th but the 10 countries rated higher were all much poorer and more instable than the US. Do you really consider the US comparable to the likes of Honduras or Swaziland on those criteria?
Sort by homicide to get the real figures. No, the US is 46 times more mild than those countries.
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