The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Cutlass]

To everybody; how can we stop these slaughters?

All the conservative leaders who are not wingnuts have to go to war with all the conservative leaders who are wingnuts, and either drive them out, or go into opposition on all of their policies until they are driven out.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

There was a shooting a playground in Chicago. 7 wounded. Appears to be gang related as it was a drive by.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...Douglas-Park-Playground-Police-518001731.html

 

[Timsup2nothin]

There was a shooting a playground in Chicago. 7 wounded. Appears to be gang related as it was a drive by.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...Douglas-Park-Playground-Police-518001731.html

"Shooting at a playground," while accurate, doesn't really give a true impression of this event. A bunch of late teen early twenty somethings gathered in a park at one in the morning isn't the image produced by that phrase, but that was the actual target here. Without steering fully into "victim blaming" territory, there is a big difference between getting shot while shopping at WalMart and getting shot while hanging out in a park at one in the morning.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

All the conservative leaders who are not wingnuts have to go to war with all the conservative leaders who are wingnuts, and either drive them out, or go into opposition on all of their policies until they are driven out.

They care more about decorum then they do about the victims.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Kevin McCarthy (GOP leader in the House) is blaming video games for these mass shootings.

He says he's 'seen studies' that back this up and of course the Fox News host doesn't dispute that despite all of the studies done that refute this. And we'd have more definitive studies if the GOP would allow the CDC (center for disease control) study gun violence.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...thy-says-video-games-partly-blame/1915061001/

Edit: Funny thing, the article points out that no less than Antoni Scalia argued in court that studies show there is no link between video games and mass shootings.

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is also saying the shooting happened because kids play violent video games instead of going to church.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is also saying the shooting happened because kids play violent video games instead of going to church.

Man, I hate it when politichristians say stuff like that. Church is for praising and communing with god, period. It isn't a child management tool or a political power focusing lens.

 

[Socrates99]

All the conservative leaders who are not wingnuts have to go to war with all the conservative leaders who are wingnuts, and either drive them out, or go into opposition on all of their policies until they are driven out.

Conservative leaders who aren't wingnuts are already running in the Democrat party. IE Biden, Delaney, Klobuchar, Swalwell, Hickenlooper, etc.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I expect the shooter will be charged with a series of "hate crimes." iirc, in the United States, the terror you are trying to inflict on a population by murdering a small number of that population is not itself a crime, only the murders themselves are.

Apparently, according to the FBI, the attackers need to be members of a foreign group, or at least make reference to one, for it to be considered a terrorist act. Acts of homegrown white supremacists are classified as hate crimes.


Link to video.

 

[Estebonrober]

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is also saying the shooting happened because kids play violent video games instead of going to church.

They will do anything to move the argument away form the reality that his manifesto was a picture perfect version of the Republican party stance these days. Of course why they bother is beyond me, their base are largely blaming democrats for all of this on Fox News comments sections. So I think the brand is safe from mass murder bad optics, the base doesn't care and would not mind seeing more as long as dems are held at bay.

Apparently, according to the FBI, the attackers need to be members of a foreign group, or at least make reference to one, for it to be considered a terrorist act. Acts of homegrown white supremacists are classified as hate crimes.


Link to video.

Feature or flaw? The perception by many is it is a feature for this white nationalist sympathizing administration.

 

[uppi]

Without steering fully into "victim blaming" territory, there is a big difference between getting shot while shopping at WalMart and getting shot while hanging out in a park at one in the morning.

What is so bad about hanging out in the park at one in the morning? I would like not getting shot in either the WalMarts (well, former WalMarts here) and the park at one in the morning.

 

[Cheetah]

Hanging out in the park at one in the morning is lots of fun.

 

[El_Machinae]

Freedom ain't free. I think we should thank these brave their souls for laying down their lives in defense of the Second Amendment.

 

[Estebonrober]

Apparently the Dayton kid shot his sister and her boyfriend first and then kept shooting into the crowd. Something is off here.

https://www.apnews.com/ca6a0e7c3ed043f8a8e41569b3266fa4

 

[Estebonrober]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...aking-news-garrett-tenney-gillian-turner.html

Unfortunately, at that very moment, Fox was forced to cut away from the reporter they’d sent to El Paso, Texas, to make the case that the United States was facing an unsustainable influx of immigrants to report the breaking story that a young man had concluded that the United States was facing an unsustainable influx of immigrants and traveled to El Paso, Texas, to take matters into his own hands. Here’s one of the most awkward, shameful transitions in television history:

I mean it's hard instigating mass murder daily. It's hard work.

 

[Farm Boy]

Freedom ain't free.

Certainly isn't. None of them are. Seeing as we're all into making statistical cases these days, it's pretty cheap for a pretty big right compared to a lot of the alternatives. But flashy costs and sympathetic victims. It's always more important when it feels more local.

On to the accounting bull/lies/stances/whatever.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is also saying the shooting happened because kids play violent video games instead of going to church.

Now the White House is picking up this line of attack. Guns don't kill people, Fortnite kills people!

I won't be surprised when some centrist Democrats sign on with the GOP to enact new video game restrictions.

 

[Cheetah]

Seeing as we're all into making statistical cases these days, it's pretty cheap for a pretty big right compared to a lot of the alternatives.

What? By «a pretty big right», do you mean the right to own assault weapons and not having proper checks before people can buy them?

Cause it seems like a very trivial little right that currently just exists for people who wants to have fun shooting guns, when hundreds of millions of people live perfectly prosperous, liberal and democratic lives without that right... We even get to own and shoot guns, within certain limits.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

We have Fortnite here too and there are no mass shootings.

 

[Estebonrober]

Now the White House is picking up this line of attack. Guns don't kill people, Fortnite kills people!

I won't be surprised when some centrist Democrats sign on with the GOP to enact new video game restrictions.

It is my opinion that this would only make the situation worse. Better that these white supremacists stay inside "canoeing their enemies" most days.

 

[Farm Boy]

Statement is contextual to a different conversation.

If you really want to broaden, I'm amazed we tend to still let people breed. We'll fix that one up with genetic testing tho.