The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Farm Boy]

When discussing with 2nd Amendment advocates, they note that they believe that Mental Health issues tend to be what causes specific incidents to be worse. If that were true, you would expect people who believe in the NRA to also be donating to mental health research.

Yeah, and rich realignment "liberals" wouldn't be relatively useless sacks of crap, but such is life.

 

[El_Machinae]

I have strong distaste for liberals along other dimensions. I was hoping 2A advocates would participate in their own defense. If they think mental illness gives them bad headlines, help with mental illness

 

[Farm Boy]

It would be a smart, visible, ongoing fundraising effort for the NRA, yes. I hope any members here agitate up that they do it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

True. But I've got history on my side. During the American Revolution, the musket was considered a viable tool in toppling an oppressive regime. In the modern day, bomb vests are decidedly a tool shown by the free market of Insurgency to be the tool that insurgents want to use.

So, it's both sides of the modern Second Amendment. Protection against being mugged. Practical tool for dissuading a government from getting too radical.

Honestly, I know it's ridiculous. I just don't know where my logic breaks down. Especially considering deterrence is considered a success when it comes to applying violence defensively

History has more recently been on my side. During the cold war nuclear submarines were considered a viable tool for toppling an oppressive regime.

 

[El_Machinae]

Pffft, I can find a headline regarding bomb vests within the last couple of weeks. "Cold war". Pffft.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Do you support private ownership of armed tanks ?

I do!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Pffft, I can find a headline regarding bomb vests within the last couple of weeks. "Cold war". Pffft.

Once, years ago now, I was stopped by a police officer while doing sprints in the evening. Apparently someone thought I might be wearing a bomb vest. That would be an odd thing to wear running back and forth on a field with nobody else, but whatever. I WAS wearing a vest, though the metal plates in it weren't very explosive and instead seemed to have a lag-inducing effect on my mobility.

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, a devoted suicide bomber should probably physically train for the event. You have to make it past the guards, afterall.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Ann Coulter is still around in the age of Trump.
https://www.takimag.com/article/what-the-el-paso-shooter-learned-from-immigrants/

When the “re-Mexicanization” of California was just getting underway back in the 1990s, Los Angeles City Council member Mike Hernandez gave a rousing speech to Hispanic activists, saying: “We are Mexicans. Mexico, some of us say, is the country this land used to belong to! In Los Angeles, there are 900,000 non-citizens. Everybody in Los Angeles should be eligible to vote.”

These attitudes were the driving force behind the El Paso killer’s mass murder. The New York Times doesn’t have any objections when immigrants talk this way. Is it wrong — or is the Times on the other team?

In any event, thanks to immigrants, all Americans are learning the vital importance of ethnic chauvinism and territorial sovereignty for your own ethnic group.

The epitaph on the El Paso Walmart mass shooting should be: Diversity is a strength!

I know she is a professional bomb thrower, but she sounds crazy.

 

[Commodore]

Any UK members here that can direct me to where I can petition your government to make a civilian version of the SA80 that can be sold in the US? I hear the design flaws were all fixed in the early 2000s and I've always liked the look of that rifle and would love to own one.

 

[Samson]

Any UK members here that can direct me to where I can petition your government to make a civilian version of the SA80 that can be sold in the US? I hear the design flaws were all fixed in the early 2000s and I've always liked the look of that rifle and would love to own one.

The government has set up a site that you can set up a petition, and if it gets 10,000 signatures you get an answer, if you get 100,000 it gets debated. I do not know what it looks like from the US, you know about proxies / VPN's don't you?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Any UK members here that can direct me to where I can petition your government to make a civilian version of the SA80 that can be sold in the US? I hear the design flaws were all fixed in the early 2000s and I've always liked the look of that rifle and would love to own one.

The videos I've watched on it say it's still terrible even after the fixes.

 

[Snerk]

The kid who attacked the mosque in Norway was apparently armed with two rifles and a shotgun. But since they were legally purchased (by family members it seems) they weren't fully automatic or semi automatic without some limitations. Had they been it almost definitely would have resulted in a massacre.

 

[Commodore]

The videos I've watched on it say it's still terrible even after the fixes.

I've seen those too. I've also seen an equal number of videos of British soldiers who swear by that rifle. I would love the chance to at least try it out for myself, but I don't know of any shooting ranges that even have any for people to rent. Apparently the UK is very anal about their weapons being exported for non-military use.

I did read the Jamaican Defense Force uses SA80s, so maybe I can take a vacation there and try to bribe one of their soldiers to give me one.

 

[Lexicus]

try to bribe one of their soldiers to give me one.

"Law-abiding" blah blah

 

[Commodore]

The government has set up a site that you can set up a petition, and if it gets 10,000 signatures you get an answer, if you get 100,000 it gets debated. I do not know what it looks like from the US, you know about proxies / VPN's don't you?

Aw, it says only British citizens or UK residents can start a petition. Maybe I'll start a petition here for Trump to negotiate the matter with Boris Johnson.

Any supporters of the BDS movement against Israel from the UK might want to help me out on this one. See, if I can't buy an SA80 then I'll be forced to scratch my bullpup rifle itch elsewhere and that elsewhere will be the IWI Tavor, which is widely available already here in the US. So if you want me and many other American gun owners to not buy Israeli rifles, then petition your government to flood our gun market with your SA80s.

"Law-abiding" blah blah

You're looking at it all wrong. Instead of seeing it as "breaking the law" see it instead as "helping to stimulate the local economy of an impoverished nation." So I am abiding by the law, it's just the law of my own morality rather than the law of the US...or Jamaica...or international law.

 

[El_Machinae]

I can't find accurate reporting on what the mosque shooter had. I'm hard-pressed to say it would have turned out better if he'd had easier access to better and less-expensive guns. Might have been, since the damage seems mainly of competence, and can't predict the psychological effect of having a 'more rad' gun

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The government has set up a site that you can set up a petition, and if it gets 10,000 signatures you get an answer, if you get 100,000 it gets debated. I do not know what it looks like from the US, you know about proxies / VPN's don't you?

Other than the words "government" and "petition" in common, I don't think that is really the appropriate avenue that Commodore was looking for.

 

[Akka]

You're looking at it all wrong. Instead of seeing it as "breaking the law" see it instead as "helping to stimulate the local economy of an impoverished nation." So I am abiding by the law, it's just the law of my own morality rather than the law of the US...or Jamaica...or international law.

You're REALLY not helping your case here.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Ann Coulter is still around in the age of Trump.
https://www.takimag.com/article/what-the-el-paso-shooter-learned-from-immigrants/





I know she is a professional bomb thrower, but she sounds crazy.

You think so? If you're looking for click attention in media, fear and outrage are long-proven tactics. That kind of writing has just enough historical reference to rile people up rather than casually dismissing it w/o giving it a thought.