The Unspeakable Tyranny of Bloomberg: Styrafoam Container Ban Next on Oppression List

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The billionaire mayor who has fought smoking, large-sized sugary drinks and excessive fat and salt announced on Thursday that he will now target Styrofoam, seeking to ban the product used for take-out -- and leftover -- fare.

In his 12th and last State of the City address, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he will seek to have the City Council ban polystyrene foam, the ubiquitous, lightweight packaging colloquially known by the brand name Styrofoam. The product has long been criticized by environmentalists because it seems to last forever, easily outliving most anything organic.

“One product that is virtually impossible to recycle and never biodegrades is Styrofoam,” Bloomberg said in his annual speech. It is "something that we know is environmentally destructive, that is costing taxpayers money, and that is easily replaceable.

"I think it is something we can do without," Bloomberg said. "And don’t worry: The doggie bag and the coffee cup will survive just fine."
The city estimates about 20,000 tons of the foam product are dumped into New York’s waste stream every year, adding an estimated $20 a ton to the cost of recycling because it must be handled separately. Bloomberg’s proposal now goes to the City Council where a similar ban has been stalled in recent years even though some cities on the environmentally conscious West Coast have moved toward full or partial bans.

The ban is part of an environmental program that Bloomberg, a lame duck, put forward. He called for more parking spaces and more vehicle chargers -- both for electric cars. He also called for doubling the city’s recycling rate to 30% by 2017.

In his speech, given at the Barclays Center arena in Brooklyn, Bloomberg stressed that the city has never been stronger, repeating the formula that most chief executives use in giving their annual appraisal of their efforts. Among the milestones his aides have stressed in recent days is the record-low homicide rate of 419 (less than Chicago and about the same number as the much smaller Detroit); the record number of tourists; and the record number of private sector jobs.

Bloomberg, who is termed out this year, is known nationally for his efforts to curb gun violence, having funded and created a coalition of mayors, which has pushed for tougher gun control laws.

In terms of policy, Bloomberg will always be associated for his efforts in the public health field, earning him praise from activists and derision as a “nanny” mayor from opponents.

He pushed to limit the size of sugary drinks, sold principally by fast-food outlets, to 16 ounces. The limit is scheduled to go into effect next month, but is still being challenged by the beverage industry.

During his first term, Bloomberg successfully got a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, which has proven very popular even in a city where smoke-filled rooms were seen as a sine qua non. He also fought for a ban on trans fats, which makes French fries more than shoe-stringed shaped ballast. He also got a requirement for fast-food restaurants to post calorie information in large type, making public what was once tastefully hidden.

Much of Bloomberg's speech dealt with economic development issues, but the mayor also noted Superstorm Sandy, which tore through the city and much of the metropolitan area in a deadly swath of destruction.

“We’ll take the same approach to the single most important piece of unfinished business that lies ahead of us in 2013: rebuilding the communities hit hardest by Hurricane Sandy -- and creating a more resilient and sustainable city," Bloomberg said.

“Forty-three New Yorkers lost their lives in that storm, and it’s up to us to do all we can to prevent that from happening again," he insisted.
“This year, we’ll develop a long-term plan so that when extreme weather hits -- we’ll be able to get the lights back on quickly and ensure that the heat keeps working, the gas stations stay open, the hospitals maintain power and the transportation system keeps operating."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...w-york-ban-styrofoam-20130214,0,4423954.story

First they came for the fatty food and I did not speak up because I didn't eat much fatty food.

Then they came for my cigarettes and I did not speak up because I only smoked socially.

Then they came for the Big Gulp's and I did not speak up because I didn't drink big gulp's.

Then they came for the Styrofoam containers and then there was no one left to speak up because everyone was so healthy they were at the gym so they didn't notice the ban.
 
Yes, because we all know that banning large sodas will prevent people from doing something crazy, like, buying 2 regular sized ones.

Actually studies show that yes in fact it does. People are too ashamed to usually buy two or three servings for themselves. That's actually why the trend of super-sizing began. Fast food franchises began to realize people are more comfortable paying more for a single larger serving than buying multiple smaller servings.
 
The ban is part of an environmental program that Bloomberg, a lame duck, put forward.

I just looked up what this means.. At first I thought it was a random ad hominem :lol:

Did a triple take there... Weird that I've never heard or seen this term used before.
 
I've heard this term used before.

As much as I dislike the idea I doubt this liberty breach will be a practical problem even if it is a principle problem. There's not gonna be a styrafoam black market
 
For all the taunting I've gotten from people over obessing over the soda issue, I think I've only made like 2 posts on the issue. So much for that.

But I do think this stuff deserves mentioning. No, its not as serious as the Patriot Act, the NDAA, or assassination without trial, but it is still an example of government thinking it has the right to regulate just about every aspect of our lives. You ignore one because it seems small but then they just add more. I mean, one regulation might not be such a big deal, but a million of them?

I'm not really for it on principle but I don't have a huge problem with the fast food restaurant having to post calorie information. But anything more than them simply having to inform you of what you are choosing to do is absolutely ridiculous.

And something tells me Bloomberg either didn't have kids, or didn't have enough of them, because he's treating the entire city of New York like their his kids. Government should exist to prevent aggression, not to be your parent, moral compass, or anything else that is not directly related to stopping and punishing aggression.

Actually studies show that yes in fact it does. People are too ashamed to usually buy two or three servings for themselves. That's actually why the trend of super-sizing began. Fast food franchises began to realize people are more comfortable paying more for a single larger serving than buying multiple smaller servings.

I wouldn't feel bad about it, I have the right to make my own choices and I don't really give a crap what you or anyone else thinks about them.

Multiple smaller ones are usually more expensive though, so that means more tax revenue... So its all good I guess.

There are probably some people who would buy two specifically because they want to protest.
 
This is awesome. Styrofoam is destructive, permanent, and unnecessary. Plus they're coming up with a superior insulator and packaging material made of mushrooms. It's versatile, fairly easy to make, fully biodegradeable, and probably cheap.
 
Bloomberg the people chafe under your intolerable oppression! Thrice we offered him the crown! Thrice he accepted!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ana-arrest-nyc-ticket-not-jail_n_2687954.html

Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Thursday that those arrested in New York City for possessing small amounts of marijuana will no longer have to spend a night in jail.

The new measure, set to take effect next month, was announced during Bloomberg's State of the City speech. From the speech:

“But we know that there’s more we can do to keep New Yorkers, particularly young men, from ending up with a criminal record. Commissioner Kelly and I support Governor Cuomo’s proposal to make possession of small amounts of marijuana a violation, rather than a misdemeanor and we’ll work to help him pass it this year. But we won’t wait for that to happen.

“Right now, those arrested for possessing small amounts of marijuana are often held in custody overnight. We’re changing that. Effective next month, anyone presenting an ID and clearing a warrant check will be released directly from the precinct with a desk appearance ticket to return to court. It’s consistent with the law, it’s the right thing to do and it will allow us to target police resources where they’re needed most."

Lat month, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo proposed decriminalizing the possession of under 15 grams of marijuana.

New York City is one of the highest rates of marijuana arrests in the world. From a report by the Drug Policy Alliance:

In the last decade since Michael Bloomberg became mayor, the NYPD has made 400,038 lowest level marijuana possession arrests at a cost of $600 million dollars. Nearly 350,000 of the marijuana possession arrests made under Bloomberg are of overwhelmingly young Black and Latino men, despite the fact that young whites use marijuana at higher rates than young Blacks and Latinos.

In the last five years, the NYPD under Bloomberg has made more marijuana arrests (2007 to 2011 = 227,093) than in the 24 years from 1978 through 2001 under Mayor Giuliani, Mayor Dinkins, and Mayor Koch combined (1978 to 2001 = 226,861).
 
This is awesome. Styrofoam is destructive, permanent, and unnecessary. Plus they're coming up with a superior insulator and packaging material made of mushrooms. It's versatile, fairly easy to make, fully biodegradeable, and probably cheap.

That's awesome!
 
In my political theory, this type of activity makes more sense (from a government standpoint) than the sugar ban. What's happened here is that the city has noticed that the waste from this type of product is not affordable with regards to its disposal; whether it's a significant cost or not is not really relevant to the theory (but it is to the practice!). Because the city cannot properly manage the pollution from this garbage (and because, obviously, the free market is not handling the problem), they have to ban the creation of the waste product.

An analogue of this application is leaded gasoline. No one could afford the giant air scrubbers necessary to clean the city air. They had to ban the fuel instead.
 
Come to think of it, I can't actually remember the last time I used anything made of Styrofoam. Most disposable containers over here are paper-based nowadays. :dunno:
 
Styrofoam and plastic utensils are a tremendous waste of resources, not to mention a waste burden, so I'm glad someone is going after them.
 
Come to think of it, I can't actually remember the last time I used anything made of Styrofoam. Most disposable containers over here are paper-based nowadays. :dunno:
Plenty London chicken & kebab shops use styrofoam/polystyrene containers for takeaways. Now that I know how crappy they are, I'll have to factor this in to whether I eat takeaways or not...
 
That's true actually, yeah. I guess I should qualify it with "I also can't remember the last time I had a kebab". :lol:
 
For all the taunting I've gotten from people over obessing over the soda issue, I think I've only made like 2 posts on the issue. So much for that.
Seriously? :lol:
Dude - you started a whole thread on the soda packaging regulation!

...it is still an example of government thinking it has the right to regulate just about every aspect of our lives. You ignore one because it seems small but then they just add more. I mean, one regulation might not be such a big deal, but a million of them?
Government's job is to help make our lives better. Some things we can do for ourselves, some things we can't. Restricting the use of styrofoam in this way is in no way regulating any aspect of your life. And more importantly, so what if there are a million regulations? The burden is on you to show that they are bad.

Do you think this one is bad?

And something tells me Bloomberg either didn't have kids, or didn't have enough of them, because he's treating the entire city of New York like their his kids. Government should exist to prevent aggression, not to be your parent, moral compass, or anything else that is not directly related to stopping and punishing aggression.
Bloomberg's family life has nothing to do with how he manages the affairs of the city. He's not treating us like children - he's performing his official elected duties. Making the city a better place to live is exactly the proper role of government. Preventing aggression? Man, you really are a broken record sometimes ;)

But since you brought it up, I propose that the misuse of styrofoam is an act of aggression against the next generation, and the one after that, and the one after that. It does have some good uses - insulation, for example - but it should never be used in a disposable product. It's difficult to recover, very difficult to reuse, and as a practical matter doesn't ever degrade.
 
That's true actually, yeah. I guess I should qualify it with "I also can't remember the last time I had a kebab". :lol:

Damn Traitorfish. I'm really hungry and there's nothing good at the house. You just made me even hungrier. :(
 
I propose they legalize styrafoam so it can be taxed and regulated.
 
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