classical_hero
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But the US is not a majority white nation.
The 'Western' World
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But the US is not a majority white nation.
innonimatu
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What, there's a difference these days?
jtb1127
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That's not true. Non Hispanic whites make up 66% of the population and when you add Hispanic whites its up to 80%. Some people don't consider white Hispanics as white because they're confused about race and generalize all Hispanics as Mestizo when that's not the case. That's besides the point. Even when excluding Hispanics it is still a clear majority.
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Diverse in Unity
Ok, I give up.
Will someone explain to me why Americans call "White people" Caucasian?
What sort of insanity is that, pray tell?
Unless you believe that the term "Caucasian" refers to people from the Caucasus region of the world, I honestly don't see much problem with it.
Unless you very much prefer "white" people. Or "black", or "yellow".
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What else should it mean?
At least these terms are not based on scientific-racism theories of the 19th century
I don't have an issue with "white" and "black". Yellow on the other hand seems weird - I've never met an Asian whose skin would appear yellow to me. So, why don't you simply say "white/European", "black/African", and "(East) Asian" for the three main racial archetypes?
Erm, yes? You might be using the wrong media.
kochman
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It has to do with how they initially got to Europe, way back when, when they apparently emigrated from the India area...
jtb1127
Deity
What else should it mean?
At least these terms are not based on scientific-racism theories of the 19th century
I don't have an issue with "white" and "black". Yellow on the other hand seems weird - I've never met an Asian whose skin would appear yellow to me. So, why don't you simply say "white/European", "black/African", and "(East) Asian" for the three main racial archetypes?
No, the problem isn't that they're using it to describe white people when it's meant for people of the Caucasus. The term Caucasian is always used to describe everyone who is not asian, black, or indigenous groups. But it is used to describe only whites.
Here is a map of indigenous caucasian people:
Spoiler :
Why they are even called Caucasian to start with? I'd like to know the answer too.
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I don't know too, but I heard that the yellows are called the Mongoloid, and the blacks are called Negroid, and the Australians are called Australoid.
The Arabians and Middle East peoples are not white.
Here is the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasoid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid_race
Here are some pictures from Wiki Commons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huxley_races.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.svg
No, the problem isn't that they're using it to describe white people when it's meant for people of the Caucasus. The term Caucasian is always used to describe everyone who is not asian, black, or indigenous groups. But it is used to describe only whites.
Here is a map of indigenous caucasian people:
Spoiler :
Why they are even called Caucasian to start with? I'd like to know the answer too.
The Arabians and Middle East peoples are not white.
Here is the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasoid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroid_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid_race
Here are some pictures from Wiki Commons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Huxley_races.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.svg
jtb1127
Deity
I guess Caucasian stuck because it doesn't sound so outdated.
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Diverse in Unity
Actually, we don't know. And I doubt the guy who came up with the term (in 1800s) had any clue whatsoever either.
To me, calling "whites" Caucasian is ridiculous. Why not call them Aryan, or Atlantians, or use another term from the vast selection of pseudo-scientific theories?
No, the problem isn't that they're using it to describe white people when it's meant for people of the Caucasus. The term Caucasian is always used to describe everyone who is not asian, black, or indigenous groups. But it is used to describe only whites.
Here is a map of indigenous caucasian people:
Spoiler :
Why they are even called Caucasian to start with? I'd like to know the answer too.
Wiki says...
Enough said.
TheDanish
Prince
Well since race is a social construct anyway...
The Asian tigers and Japan?
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Can you define how they are Western?
Well for Japan, it's stated policy was "leaving Asia" and "joining the west" going back to the 1880s.
They studied the political, economic and military systems of the west, chose the ones they most wanted to emulate, and imported thousands of "foreign experts" to help with the reforms.
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Infinite Density
I think Japan was more leaving their feudal society than "leaving Asia". Like China and Korea they seem to have been very pragmatic on what needed to change and what would obviously remain the same in terms of culture and religion. I wouldn't say that makes them any more western than lets say; China, Nigeria or United Arab Emirates.
Well I only use the term "leaving Asia" because it is the term a very influential Japanese dude used in an essay he wrote in 1885.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
I think your explanation implies that modernization is inherently Western.
