There are more of us than there are of them

[Hygro]

Metatake. Agency is the enemy.

Hot take.

Nah, not you. Cloud was replying to you but I was more thinking about whoever linked to the black guy who reformed a bunch of KKK goobers.

Whoever.

 

[Gorbles]

I may be reading your post incorrectly here but this is completely false. Antisemitism was arguably the one consistent platform of the Nazis throughout their entire existence. Actually, starting with the Nazis massive electoral success in the 1930 election, Hitler began toning down his antisemitic ranting for middle-class and upper-class audiences in particular, part of the party's overall "respectability" strategy.

Yeah, sorry, I should've clarified. Prior to the early 1930s they were limited in scope and application of their racist ideas. The arguable point is how antisemitic they were vs. how much that affected Jewish people of the time (as well as other minorities) as the Nazi Party capitalised on existing fears and racism to build their platform. The context was German Jews making friends with non-Jewish Germans, or vice versa, however which way around - Hitler's ability to turn the public against marginalised minorities only really took off from the 1930s. Heck, he didn't get Mein Kampf publicised til when, the mid 1920s? Late 1920s? Something like that. They didn't have control of the state until 1933, and the things I was mentioning mainly occurred after that point.

Agreed on everything else, it's especially fair to point out other country's Jewish populations (and treatment) around that time. I was just fixating on the German aspect because Yeekim was talking about it specifically.

 

[Narz]

The problem w "us" is division and a million different agendas. The GOP wants to win and the end justifies the means whereas "us" is more concerned about looking good/moral high ground and the secondary gain of getting to whine about losing.

Some of them want to abuse you, some of us want to be abused.

 

[Lexicus]

Prior to the early 1930s they were limited in scope and application of their racist ideas.

Well, what happened was that in 1930 the party mushroomed very quickly from a fringe party with a mass following almost exclusively concentrated in Bavaria, to one of the largest parties in the Reichstag with millions of members across Germany.

Heck, he didn't get Mein Kampf publicised til when, the mid 1920s? Late 1920s?

1925, less than two years after he started writing it. It did not sell well until after 1933, for obvious reasons.

 

[rah]

Hey, the Germans were just getting even for getting kicked around by the rest of Europe after WW1. It's normal for those getting kicked to find someone to kick. Hitler was clever enough to unify them by focusing it on one group. The terms of the treaty were pretty harsh. Add on a global depression breed desperation.

 

[Synobun]

Hey, the Germans were just getting even for getting kicked around by the rest of Europe after WW1. It's normal for those getting kicked to find someone to kick. Hitler was clever enough to unify them by focusing it on one group. The terms of the treaty were pretty harsh. Add on a global depression breed desperation.

Putting all the undesirables in death camps to own the libs get even

 

[Lexicus]

Hey, the Germans were just getting even for getting kicked around by the rest of Europe after WW1. It's normal for those getting kicked to find someone to kick. Hitler was clever enough to unify them by focusing it on one group. The terms of the treaty were pretty harsh. Add on a global depression breed desperation.

Jews fought for Germany in WWI. You saying that Germans were "just getting even" is frankly disgusting.

 

[Patine]

The problem w "us" is division and a million different agendas. The GOP wants to win and the end justifies the means whereas "us" is more concerned about looking good/moral high ground and the secondary gain of getting to whine about losing.

Some of them want to abuse you, some of us want to be abused.

Well, outside a Vince Lambardi-style sport-game "victory at all costs" mentality to elections, and a few ideological similarities and shared (though not as many, in a hard definition, as many are led to believe), the Republican Party of the United States, and their "natural constituents" do not actually have the true endemic unity they are ascribed, or even necessarily more intrinsic unity than their political opponents. Despite their capability - as much so as Democrats - to hold their nose and swallow the poison selected at the Convention and take a bullet for the party at the ballot box (I mean, what choice do most Americans have with their wretched, rigged, corrupt, party-machine-controlled, artificial two-party-system that steals their REAL choice of leaders from them), the 2008, 2012, and 2016 Republican Presidential Primaries showed, in microcosm, the true animosity, division, discord, and internal conflict ready to tear the party apart - if only the Constitutional relic of the Electoral College created by a bunch elitist, wealthy men contemptuous and mistrusting - even afraid - of the competence of the common voters in the 18th Century, would realistically let them without effectively committing political suicide.

 

[rah]

Jews fought for Germany in WWI. You saying that Germans were "just getting even" is frankly disgusting.

My statement wasn't an endorsement. Just a statement of human nature, which sucks.

 

[Berzerker]

people feel a little better about themselves if they see someone else worse off

 

[rah]

There were a lot of factors that led up to it. It wasn't just one. But Europe and the US played a part of it with the treaty. The depression played a part. There were many other things.
Hitler took advantage of it.

 

[Lexicus]

My statement wasn't an endorsement. Just a statement of human nature, which sucks.

Your statement was just false. The Jews didn't do anything to Germany that would require Germany to "get back" at them.

 

[rah]

Where did I say that? I said the were getting even for what the rest of Europe and the US did.

 

[Lexicus]

Where did I say that?

You posted what you posted after a multipage discussion of the Holocaust.

 

[Broken_Erika]

One side doesn't have to do anything wrong, or even anything at all for another side to want to get even.

 

[Naskra]

The Jews didn't do anything to Germany that would require Germany to "get back" at them.

Of course they did. They were one-percenters - people with too much power and money. Something had to be done. This is a well established progressive axiom.

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[rah]

You posted what you posted after a multipage discussion of the Holocaust.

That was part of my point. Part of the blame of the Holocaust can be placed on how Germany was treated at the end of WWI. I'm not saying it was the major reason, I'm just saying there were a lot of reasons which that was part of. Hitler took advantage of the desperation by giving them a target.

 

[Berzerker]

I suspect the Jews were being blamed for the way Germany was treated after wwi, you know, the Jewish elite conspiring to screw Germany.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The problem w "us" is division and a million different agendas. The GOP wants to win and the end justifies the means whereas "us" is more concerned about looking good/moral high ground and the secondary gain of getting to whine about losing.

Some of them want to abuse you, some of us want to be abused.

Some of us are actually more interested in trying to keep our rights and working against those hell bent on infringing them.

Of course they did. They were one-percenters - people with too much power and money. Something had to be done. This is a well established progressive axiom.

So the implication is what then? That all Jews own banks? Weird anti semetic flex

 

[Naskra]

So the implication is what then? That all Jews own banks? Weird anti semetic flex

You did not post about yourself. Welcome to the outside world.

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