There are more of us than there are of them

[Cloud_Strife]

Also let's not pretend that the government and law enforcement take right-wing extremism seriously, there's a serious lack of engagement by both on this issue so any comparison is intellectually and factually dishonest.

 

[Hygro]

I feel like this whole thing is like saying "Luke Skywalker's a monster for destroying the Death Star and killing all those people. Condemn the Rebellion, because you know they're obviously going to be worse than the Empire they're trying to overthrow."

The mainstream thinking themselves the underdogs.

 

[Lexicus]

The mainstream thinking themselves the underdogs.

The Rebellion represented the mainstream in the Galaxy too. The Empire could only rule by fear, that was the whole point.

 

[MaryKB]

The Rebellion represented the mainstream in the Galaxy too. The Empire could only rule by fear, that was the whole point.

Yep, exactly. I think another comparable example is what happened in Harry Potter. You have a small number of extremists who use terror to seize power and force others to live in fear, with specific vulnerable groups being especially targeted.

These people are going to do whatever they can to win, because they're fueled by ambition and hate.

Do you think Harry, Hermione, and Ron are as bad as Death Eaters for fighting against them? Is Dumbledore's Army really a threat worse than Voldemort?

I do feel sometimes it's reasonable for the "good guys" to be forced to take drastic action. And I feel it's extremely disingenuous (and foolish) to suggest that automatically makes them as great a threat as what they're fighting against.

 

[Farm Boy]

The mainstream thinking themselves the underdogs.

... with thunderous applause?

 

[Akka]

Right-wing Extremists don't exactly keep themselves to themselves, just ask any of their victims, nor are they passive, but you already know that.

That's... exactly my point ? Did you actually read the post you quoted or are you just on your usual blind raving ?

So, by all means, explain to us your plan for preventing them from hitting others.

I don't know, how do you prevent people from putting fire to each other house ? I'm pretty sure the same trick can work there too.

 

[Gorbles]

That's... exactly my point ? Did you actually read the post you quoted or are you just on your usual blind raving ?

I don't know, how do you prevent people from putting fire to each other house ? I'm pretty sure the same trick can work there too.

"do the thing that's done to arsonists" is a galaxy brain take that even I wasn't expecting.

What, exactly, is done to arsonists? How is this even a relatively applicable comparison? Nice ad hominem to Cloud though, very nice.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't know, how do you prevent people from putting fire to each other house ? I'm pretty sure the same trick can work there too.

So, you glibly admit you have no plan, then insist that the people criticizing you for enabling the far-right are as bad as, if not worse than, the far-right?

 

[Akka]

So, you glibly admit you have no plan, then insist that the people criticizing you for enabling the far-right are as bad as, if not worse than, the far-right?

How stupid can this reply be ?
There are laws preventing violence. They need to be enforced. That's a pretty good plan right there, and certainly better than your wet dream of pitchfork mob hanging whoever is designated as oppressor by a bunch of guys trying to find a justification for their own violence.

 

[Synobun]

And as we all know, nobody with far-right ideals is in a position to change those laws. They are sacrament, unerring, unchangeable. Laws have never been used to embolden far-right goals.

 

[MaryKB]

You're either incredibly naive, or you're actively on their side.

Read Harry Potter, it's really a perfect example of what's going on. These people are seizing control of the laws ... so you're going to rely on the police to arrest themselves? Do you advocate just waiting until it's too late to start doing something?

This is really just like The Order of the Phoenix. And you're either Cornelius Fudge (convincing yourself the takeover's not happening) or Delores Umbridge (gleeful to watch what's happening and punishing those working against it)

... or I guess you could be Lucius Malfoy (actively part of it and salivating at the thought of getting your chance for eventual power)

 

[Lexicus]

How stupid can this reply be ?
There are laws preventing violence. They need to be enforced. That's a pretty good plan right there, and certainly better than your wet dream of pitchfork mob hanging whoever is designated as oppressor by a bunch of guys trying to find a justification for their own violence.

My wet dream is socialism, which I think is the best way of combating the alienation, isolation, and depression that leads people into the far-right.

But I mean, I think your understanding of this issue is incredibly simplistic and, as Mary says, naive. In the US the state is, far from enforcing laws against violence to protect people from far-right terrorism, acting out the "wet dream" of the far-right which is 70,000 children in prison camps.

State institutions in the US are riddled with far-right individuals (white supremacist infiltration of local police departments for example is a prevalent enough issue to be of concern to the FBI) and are structurally inclined to blindness in the matter of the threat posed by the far-right.

 

[Akka]

And as we all know, nobody with far-right ideals is in a position to change those laws. They are sacrament, unerring, unchangeable. Laws have never been used to embolden far-right goals.

So you DO understand the risk of having extremists altering laws so they can inflict violence on the people they don't like ? That's a good first step.

You're either incredibly naive, or you're actively on their side.

Well, in case someone needed a reminder of the whole problem...

 

[Farm Boy]

There are laws preventing violence.

Just a nitpick, but the laws primarily punish violence when enforced. If they deter through that action, then they deter.

Active preventative measures, other than hands-on involvement in community activity and forging enforcement neighborhood bonds, seem to be the root of the problem in our(the US's) very much skewed punishment culture. A culture, which while certainly happy to expand, is very much the basic middle of the road view. It's not weaker with the kids than the adults either. The older Americans are more socially conservative, surprise surprise, but for every kid that wants increased privacy(from private companies) online, there are a bunch that say they're more willing than their parents to trade privacy for security, and those are the ones that put listening devices on the countertops of their homes. Don't expect the ghosts of the 20th to lay silent. They didn't before the 20th, and they didn't die then. They do develop new toys.

 

[Synobun]

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There is irony in authoritarians pointing fingers at others and calling them "nazis".

 

[Cloud_Strife]

That's... exactly my point ? Did you actually read the post you quoted or are you just on your usual blind raving ?

You cannot "contain" these extremists without compromising their rights and speech and are you for that? A simple yes or no will suffice my dear friend.

 

[Farm Boy]

Would there be irony in trolls doing it?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I don't see any trolls here my friend.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Would there be irony in trolls doing it?

On average a troll doing it would not meet the definition of irony, though it depends on the specific troll.