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As intruders they forfeit their right to self defense. If a burglar breaks in my home and I pull a gun on him, he has no moral right to defend himself since it was his intrusion into my "territory" that caused me to take aggressive action against him.

Same with aliens. If they fly their craft around our airspace without first obtaining the permission of relevant governing bodies here on Earth, then they have no moral right to shoot back at us or retaliate by any other means when we start shooting at them.

Maybe thats why only Americans keep getting anally probes by aliens. :lol:
You probably violated some ancient galatic law that existed before the dawn of humanity, ignorance of the law is no defence and all that jazz

Humanity cant be totally irrevlant why else would Aliens send probes (pun intended) to earth ?
 
as a very current thing Russians and Syrians are blaming the US for the drone attacks on the legitimate forces that operate over Syria . American and allied aircraft act as if the East of Euphtates River belongs to Kurds hence the West . By not having the approval of Damascus , is it legitimate for American planes to be shot down ?
 
Actually, there's a very good reason to anthropomorphize. I stated it above. They are the ones visiting our world.

Do you not realize that the concept of literally owning a planet is something that is definitely not universal, even stupid? It's extremely arbitrary.

Why is it us that own the planet and not insects, considering they outnumber us by the billions and have infested every crack and crevice of this planet?

What if they think it's plants that own the planet, after all their seeds stray everywhere, they can grow in almost any environment, they are the ones producing our atmosphere, keeping our planet alive.. They are doing much more to be "deserving" of this planet, even if that concept of your is stupid.

Even I don't think we own this planet and I'm no alien. You have no more right to a piece of land or an ocean or a mountain than any other sentient creature does. Do we own the moon because we've stepped foot on it? Do we automatically own every planet as soon as we start inhabiting it? This is just you feeling entitled for no good reason. You just cannot step outside of the human bubble and see our actions for what they really are: Laying down a philosophical groundwork to justify all of our actions.

As intruders they forfeit their right to self defense. If a burglar breaks in my home and I pull a gun on him, he has no moral right to defend himself since it was his intrusion into my "territory" that caused me to take aggressive action against him.

Same with aliens. If they fly their craft around our airspace without first obtaining the permission of relevant governing bodies here on Earth, then they have no moral right to shoot back at us or retaliate by any other means when we start shooting at them.

Your attitude is so American it hurts. Would you also shoot down a bald eagle if it flew over your house? SMH :confused::confused::confused:
 
Do you not realize that the concept of literally owning a planet is something that is definitely not universal, even stupid? It's extremely arbitrary.
Why is it us that own the planet and not insects, considering they outnumber us by the billions and have infested every crack and crevice of this planet?

Thats why I mentioned cancer. Humanity gets deleted and the earth gets another chance to develope intelligent life again
(Day that the earth stood still)
 
It's so much fun coming up with all these what-ifs.

What if their spaceship is five times as big as planet earth? Do we just throw all our nukes at it and pray? lmao.

On the other hand- What if it is microscopic in size? And what if there's a million spaceships the size of a snowflake?

What if it's simply cloaked? Not even far fetched at all, even we have developed stealth bombers.

What if it's not made out of metal or any other solid material and will just allow projectiles to go right through it?

What if it just reverses the trajectory of whatever we shoot at it and we end up nuking our own planet?

I mean we assume this vehicle can travel between different fudging solar systems.. What if they just see something flying at them and.. fly away. How outrageous is that?

And then we have whatever is our strongest explosive floating around space, orbiting the earth. Seems completely safe :lol:

But here is the most likely scenario: What if its not actually an alien spaceship approaching earth, but rather a human has made a very human mistake and it's just a meteor casually flying by?

Then we just shot literal billions of tax dollars in space for absolutely nothing.

But yeah, obviously the most sane choice is just to shoot at everything we don't know. God bless!
 
So..

whenever you see up to 5 balls moving around close to each other, one ball a bit bigger and more often disappearing....
take heed
It could be the fingers of a hand of a 4-dimensional alien, shaped like us.... trying to grab you :eek:

(from a SF short story... there are not many 4-dimensional of them)
Yes, exactly. That is why a 5D lifeform moving into 4D space-time and being perceived by our eyes (3D) would be seen as a distortion, and as an inexplicable movement.

Several authors have tried to explain this. Flatland by Edwin Abbott being one example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland

Because of the novel Alcubierre Drive warping space time, I am fascinated what an observer would see as they sped away. I fully expect peculiar distortion. China is claiming to have a working prototype.
 
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Why? You are a 3D being who lives in space-time. You can even make the case that you by virtue of perpetuation of consciousness that you are a 4D being.
 
Why? You are a 3D being who lives in space-time. You can even make the case that you by virtue of perpetuation of consciousness that you are a 4D being.
I thought time was the 4th dimension and consciousness was the 5th...
or was the 5th dimension the age of aquarius?
 
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This isn't a very good analogy. A better analogy would be how modern societies send researchers to study some of those primitive tribes still living in the Amazon or in the South Pacific. Some of those tribes are openly hostile when their territory is encroached upon, and rightfully so. Would you advocate sending in the full might of the US military if one of those tribes captured and killed some university professor that decided to get too close to one of those hostile tribes? No, you wouldn't because that would be a completely unreasonable response to a society just trying to protect itself from an unknown threat.

IMO ants are a much better analogy to aliens than "some human tribe". They're human, we can communicate with them. That's not very alien.
 
Why? You are a 3D being who lives in space-time. You can even make the case that you by virtue of perpetuation of consciousness that you are a 4D being.
:shrug:

I wouldn't know. I've concluded that all this stuff is way beyond my ability to understand.
 
IMO ants are a much better analogy to aliens than "some human tribe". They're human, we can communicate with them. That's not very alien.

The analogy doesn't stand because ants are not sapient creatures. They are not capable of communication in any way that would allow for any kind of diplomatic negotiations to take place over territory rights. We, however, are sapient creatures and can be communicated with. We would be a comparatively primitive society interacting with a more advanced one, and the only meaningful comparison we can draw from that would be more advanced humans interacting with primitive humans.

But even if we go with your ants analogy, my point still stands. Would you advocate taking military action against all ant-kind if one of your family members was swarmed and killed by a colony of ants after accidentally stepping on their anthill? No, because, again, that would be an unreasonable response.

Why is it us that own the planet and not insects, considering they outnumber us by the billions and have infested every crack and crevice of this planet?

Because we are the dominant species on this planet. I think it's perfectly fair and reasonable to consider the dominant species on any planet to be the owner of that planet. Insects may outnumber us, but numbers alone do not make a particular species dominant.

Your attitude is so American it hurts.

You say this like its a bad thing.

Would you also shoot down a bald eagle if it flew over your house?

No, because I don't see a bald eagle as a threat. I know he's just a creature living his life and won't take any aggressive action against me unless I provoke it. Some weird alien from another planet though? Not so much. I have no idea why they are here,and until they communicate their intentions, I will assume they have hostile intent.

Do we own the moon because we've stepped foot on it?

In the absence of any other legitimate claim to it? Sure. And since I don't see any alien settlements on it and I do see the flag of a human nation planted on it, I'd say that makes the moon ours.

You just cannot step outside of the human bubble and see our actions for what they really are: Laying down a philosophical groundwork to justify all of our actions.

Oh I can, I'm just a very "humanity first" kind of person. I do believe we, as a species, have an inherent right to claim ownership over anything and everything we lay our eyes on. If some alien species out there doesn't like that attitude, they are welcome to try to stop us.

That's not to say I think other lifeforms have no rights or claims to anything, just that they can only exercise those rights when they don't negatively impact or inconvenience humanity in any way.

To make my position more clear: I was the person rooting for the humans in Avatar. And no, I'm not trolling or joking. The humans may have seemed like the jerks, but consider they were fighting to ensure humanity's survival. Earth was a dying world and our civilization was on the brink of collapse. In that scenario, is it really so shocking that the so-called antagonists were putting humanity's interests above the interests of some tree-dwelling primitive aliens?
 
Are human beings considered sapient to nonhuman intelligent species though? We may be the least cognizant. We cannot assume we are the yardstick from which to measure

That word was obscure to me, so I looked it up. I would not claim that human beings are sapient as it means capable of great wisdom or sound judgement. Very few human individuals would fit into those categories, not the breadth of humanity across time. It would be the miniscule exception,not the rule, of having this attribute you are applying generically.

Rather overwhelmingly humans are very flawed.
 
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Still.

Homo sapiens, you know.

The clue is in the name.

I met someone a few years ago who told me that people are really very stupid in the main.

I nodded sagely, and agreed. The poor old boy had Alzheimer's.

I myself have always been rather impressed with human beings' abilities. Like their ability to talk and walk at the same time, for instance.

But then, I'm easily impressed.

Ants, I find, are very impressive, too.

Their brains constitute 15% of their body mass. And an ant colony can have the same amount of neurological material as a human brain.
 
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There is no reason to assume that humanity owns the Earth. That idea is certainly not theologically sound.

The point is moot as the indigenous people found in history when up against superior technology and will.
 
The analogy doesn't stand because ants are not sapient creatures. They are not capable of communication in any way that would allow for any kind of diplomatic negotiations to take place over territory rights.

You assume that we are advanced enough to communicate with these hypothetical aliens and draw up treaties with them. Maybe that's why they're not talking to us, they view us as not capable of proper communication. We can sort of communicate with ants too you know, they use phermones, and we can simulate that to some degree. However, for us it's a very ineffective way of communicating, and an alien species millions of years more advanced than we are might very well view our communication methods (and capabilities) in much the same way.
 
I think it is pretty telling of general lack of imagination, that the most popular alien """theories""" are about stupid humanoids like the greys or the reptilians. Also porn-stuff, like the Pleiadians or what those are called :)
 
To make my position more clear: I was the person rooting for the humans in Avatar. And no, I'm not trolling or joking. The humans may have seemed like the jerks, but consider they were fighting to ensure humanity's survival. Earth was a dying world and our civilization was on the brink of collapse. In that scenario, is it really so shocking that the so-called antagonists were putting humanity's interests above the interests of some tree-dwelling primitive aliens?

Oh, sure, I totally get it now. You're the kind of guy who would have happily volunteered to go to America coming 1500 and would've delightfully slaughtered all the Indios, taken their land, taken their women, taken their riches, and then gotten a sound night of sleep. After all, they were actually considered subhuman back then, which, following your reasoning makes it absolutely justified :)

Actually, scratch that. According to your post it's not even a necessity to be less than human, less than sapient, it is already enough that a group may be considered "primitive", less technologically advanced, for you to slaughter them.
 
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