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This just in:
Kevin Clash, the puppeteer behind "Sesame Street's" Elmo since 1985, has taken a leave of absence from the show following allegations that he had a relationship with a 16-year-old, according to a statement from Sesame Workshop.

"We took the allegation very seriously and took immediate action," said the reps in the statement. "We met with the accuser twice and had repeated communications with him. We met with Kevin, who denied the accusation. We also conducted a thorough investigation and found the allegation of underage conduct to be unsubstantiated. Although this was a personal relationship unrelated to the workplace, our investigation did reveal that Kevin exercised poor judgment and violated company policy regarding Internet usage and he was disciplined."

Clash is then said to have been granted leave from the show so he can take action "to protect his reputation."

"I am a gay man. I have never been ashamed of this or tried to hide it, but felt it was a personal and private matter," Clash said in a statement to NBC News issued through a representative. "I had a relationship with the accuser. It was between two consenting adults and I am deeply saddened that he is trying to characterize it as something other than what it was. I am taking a break from Sesame Workshop to deal with this false and defamatory allegation."
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So first off, I didn't realize he was gay. I saw the documentary on him and in it he was happily married. I hadn't realized he had come out since then. It's unsuprising though because when I first saw it, before they introduced his wife, I thought he was gay. Not that it mattered one way or the other for me, but that was my first impression.

My immediate reaction to this headline was that I'm tired of people being dragged through the mud publicly because they had an affair (the article title says nothing about the alleged victim being 16, it only mentions 'sex allegations'). Our culture needs to stop crucifying people over their own private affairs (no pun intended).

I'm interested in following this story to find out if indeed the relationship began when the young man was 16 (in which case it is child rape) or if it started when he was an adult as Clash alleges.

Either way, this will probably damage the sesame street brand and I predict it will become a new hate-filled talking point for conservatives.

I am also really sad for Clash if this turns out to be a scorned lover seeking revenge. This is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a public figure, not to mention one who works as a popular character on a children show.

I guess one question I have is if this allegation is true, does it diminish all of the great things Clash has done and his charitable work? If the allegation isn't true, does the revelation that he is gay in any way diminish his stature? (assuming you didn't already know)

Also, should it matter if a person who works with children is gay?

I think not, but there is such an unfair stygma against it. Hell, there is even a stygma against men working with children to begin with. At the headstart where my wife works, a grandfather volunteers to work with the children. His granddaughter has bathroom issues (constantly going, then not always doing anything while in there and she does this every day with or without her grandpa around) and when he volunteers, he often accompanies her to the bathroom (all of the kids are accompanied and helped in the restroom).

One of the janitors made a snide remark that he didn't think the grandpa should be allowed to do this, that it was suspicious. I frakkin hate this attitude, and I can only imagine it is intensified with a gay man in the classroom.
 
The problem is that victims can no longer be victims. But now we have people who are not victims claiming to be, and that is a bigger problem. Guilt be association has always been a issue, but I do not see it going away, until the problem itself goes away.
People claim slavery has been conquered and exploitation of children runs even deeper than slavery.
 
The problem is that victims can no longer be victims. But now we have people who are not victims claiming to be, and that is a bigger problem. Guilt be association has always been a issue, but I do not see it going away, until the problem itself goes away.
People claim slavery has been conquered and exploitation of children runs even deeper than slavery.

What do you mean victims can no longer be victims?

We have always had non-victims falsely accusing people, but we didn't always have national 24/7 media coverage of it until recently.
 
What do you mean victims can no longer be victims?

We have always had non-victims falsely accusing people, but we didn't always have national 24/7 media coverage of it until recently.

Very True. Those people are giving the real victims a bad rap.
 
Yeah, without proper holy orders you can't do that.
 
Which people?

If I'm tracking this correctly it's the assertion that those who levy false accusations of terrible accusations are amongst the most damaging individuals in our society. They strike at the credibility of all those who have been wronged and make justice, when it needs to be enacted, much harder to achieve.

Unfortunately, rape accusations are often front and center on this issue. We can't take them lightly. It happens and it needs to be punished. We also cannot allow false accusations, which also happen, to destroy innocent lives. It makes for a wretched little dance that has ever and likely will ever go on.

Edit: ooh, less than a page to get on the Catholic church. You guys are outdoing even yourselves!
 
If I'm tracking this correctly it's the assertion that those who levy false accusations of terrible accusations are amongst the most damaging individuals in our society. They strike at the credibility of all those who have been wronged and make justice, when it needs to be enacted, much harder to achieve.

Unfortunately, rape accusations are often front and center on this issue. We can't take them lightly. It happens and it needs to be punished. We also cannot allow false accusations, which also happen, to destroy without proof innocent lives. It makes for a wretched little dance that has ever and likely will ever go on.

Edit: ooh, less than a page to get on the Catholic church. You guys are outdoing even yourselves!

I agree that false accusations shouldn't be allowed to destroy lives, but when it comes to celebrities, a false accusation is all it takes.

Agree with you on everything else too.
 
When it comes to young children it's usually, from what I have read and heard, fairly straight forward to sort the true from the false accusation.

As the child gets older, or in the case of an adult woman, a false accusation becomes increasingly difficult to discover.

Does it devalue the other work of an accused/guilty person? Yes, I rather think it does. Unfortunately.
 
Anyone else run into instances where men are looked upon with suspicion for working with small children?
 
Anyone else run into instances where men are looked upon with suspicion for working with small children?

It wasn't always fun being a substitute teacher for my hometown grade school. I took a smoke break for lunch and(obviously) walked around the block so I wasn't smoking in front of the kids. A mother who lived nearby(who I didn't know) called the police on me for lurking. That was a fun afternoon.
 
Edit: ooh, less than a page to get on the Catholic church. You guys are outdoing even yourselves!

Leave the catholic church alone!!!! :(
 
What do you mean victims can no longer be victims?

We have always had non-victims falsely accusing people, but we didn't always have national 24/7 media coverage of it until recently.

As in stop abusing people and stop abusing the system.

Leave the catholic church alone!!!! :(

Should you have not told JR that?
 
Leave the catholic church alone!!!! :(

Well, it's so new and novel and directly applicable to this thread! I split my side laughing so hard at the wit, and it's inconvenient.
 
I'm interested in following this story to find out if indeed the relationship began when the young man was 16 (in which case it is child rape) or if it started when he was an adult as Clash alleges.

It is not child rape and a sixteen year old is considered an adult in most American states. What we have here is a case of pederasty.
 
A 16 year old is not a child and having sex with a 16 year old is not child rape.
It's creepy and inappropriate and probably a carreer ender for public figures, but it should not be illegal.
 
A 16 year old is not a child and having sex with a 16 year old is not child rape.
It's creepy and inappropriate and probably a carreer ender for public figures, but it should not be illegal.

It should absolutely be illegal. When I was 16 I would not want some 45 year old man coming onto me. YMMV.
 
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